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Occupiers-What Do You Want?
- Thread starter Maverick74
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Quote from Ricter:
If it makes you feel any better the OWS crowd is being called, for example, "douchebags" now. So we're good, right?
Actually Ricter. I don't want to call either of them names. They both have a right to protest. The difference is, the tea party seemed to have a consistent coherent message. The OWS seem to just want to rob the rich, or technically eat them I guess. I don't want to misquote them. LOL.
Quote from Maverick74:
Actually Ricter. I don't want to call either of them names. They both have a right to protest. The difference is, the tea party seemed to have a consistent coherent message. The OWS seem to just want to rob the rich, or technically eat them I guess. I don't want to misquote them. LOL.
Yes, the tp had reliability but not validity. It might be completely reversed for the ows.
Quote from Maverick74:
They did, it was called the tea party. For 3 freaking years they bitched about the bailouts and too big to fail. And what did the media do? They ignored them and called them racists.
Wholeheartedly Agree.
I find the Tea Party and OWS actually have a lot in common, but are coming at it from different angles.
For both sides the msm is trying to ignore the real message and dismantle them (eg. calling all Tea Party racists vs calling all OWS protesters communists/lazy).
It is the similar divide and conquer technique with Repubs versus Democrats. With either, you get the same dismal results but with different rhetoric.
Tea Party -> baby boomers complaining
OWS -> younger generations complaining
They both have very valid complaints, have much in common. Both are symptoms of common problems.
Msm hates them both.
Quote from Maverick74:
Actually Ricter. I don't want to call either of them names. They both have a right to protest. The difference is, the tea party seemed to have a consistent coherent message. The OWS seem to just want to rob the rich, or technically eat them I guess. I don't want to misquote them. LOL.
From the <a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/social-media-and-wall-street-protests">Economist</a> concerning <a href="http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/">WAT99P</a>
"The stories make depressing reading. They also give the lie to the idea, spread about when the protests first began, that the people behind the protests don't know what they want. What they want is pretty clear: jobs, cheaper health care, cheaper education, and relief from suffocating debt."
Add to that what I had said earlier -- the anger over bailouts and the frustration that lobbyists control elected representatives -- and you have a consistent theme: a left wing critique of the financial crisis and its results, similar to the Tea Party's right wing take on it.
Even the Economist is avoiding the caricature. Eventually you'll have to do the same if you want to look at it with intellectual honesty. There's plenty of room to disagree with what they want, but being honest comes first. Depends on your motivation for asking.
Wow Maverick i really do feel sorry for you and the rest of the people in chicago, from what i have seen the chicago protestors may be the dumbest ones in the entire group.
Yesterday i saw a bunch of them marching with signs that said "take back chicago." So im thinking to myself who exactly is it they want to take back chicago from???Maybe they should go have a chat with the liberal politicians who have run the city into the ground for decades?
Then i saw a teacher on ed schultz from Chicago who was complaining about how her salary got cut, even schultz called bullshit on her for blaming corporate america he asked her where the fuck rahm emmanuel was...
These people are so clueless....
Yesterday i saw a bunch of them marching with signs that said "take back chicago." So im thinking to myself who exactly is it they want to take back chicago from???Maybe they should go have a chat with the liberal politicians who have run the city into the ground for decades?
Then i saw a teacher on ed schultz from Chicago who was complaining about how her salary got cut, even schultz called bullshit on her for blaming corporate america he asked her where the fuck rahm emmanuel was...
These people are so clueless....
Quote from Samsara:
From the <a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/10/social-media-and-wall-street-protests">Economist</a> concerning <a href="http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/">WAT99P</a>
"The stories make depressing reading. They also give the lie to the idea, spread about when the protests first began, that the people behind the protests don't know what they want. What they want is pretty clear: jobs, cheaper health care, cheaper education, and relief from suffocating debt."
Add to that what I had said earlier -- the anger over bailouts and the frustration that lobbyists control elected representatives -- and you have a consistent theme: a left wing critique of the financial crisis and its results, similar to the Tea Party's right wing take on it.
Even the Economist is avoiding the caricature. Eventually you'll have to do the same if you want to look at it with intellectual honesty. There's plenty of room to disagree with what they want, but being honest comes first. Depends on your motivation for asking.
I can prove you wrong. Both in NY and Chicago people have gone down to the protest site and actually offered jobs to these kids and they turned them down. Even when asked on TV if Goldman offered them a job for a million dollars a year they would not take it...ever!!!!! Listen man, I respect your viewpoint, but I honestly think this is about something much bigger then jobs and healthcare. They want to change the "system". That's the difference. To be fair, the tea party people also want to "change" the system, although I think their ideas are slightly less radical. Asking government to control their spending is not a radical idea in my view. Both sides would like to end the Fed which obviously is a little more radical.
But I honestly do believe you are the one being intellectually dishonest. I have talked to these kids on my way home from work every day. They don't want jobs, they want a different system. Now perhaps from that system they believe the jobs will be there for them and they might be right. The fact of the matter is, they will never get what they want, which is full blown socialism. Although, the irony is, I think we are headed that way regardless. Sooner or later the rich will leave this country and I believe that socialism is inevitable.
Quote from Max E. Pad:
Wow Maverick i really do feel sorry for you and the rest of the people in chicago, from what i have seen the chicago protestors may be the dumbest ones in the entire group.
Yesterday i saw a bunch of them marching with signs that said "take back chicago." So im thinking to myself who exactly is it they want to take back chicago from???Maybe they should go have a chat with the liberal politicians who have run the city into the ground for decades?
Then i saw a teacher on ed schultz from Chicago who was complaining about how her salary got cut, even schultz called bullshit on her for blaming corporate america he asked her where the fuck rahm emmanuel was...
These people are so clueless....
Max, there is a resistance group forming. They are called the 53%. This is the group in this country that actually "pays" taxes. They are starting to speak up. Let's see what happens. I better hurry up and pick a group before the war starts. LOL.
Eat your heart out commies, here come the 53%ers:
http://the53.tumblr.com/post/11070414744/53-ers-figure-it-out-early
http://the53.tumblr.com/post/11070414744/53-ers-figure-it-out-early