http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...103&perpage=6&highlight=practice&pagenumber=2
This attachment is 45 mins off a T&S streaming data source on IB.
I use about three rules. I was mentoring beginner at the time today.
You can see by the notes above the 11 trades that it pulls down over 600 bucks an hour.
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http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...103&perpage=6&highlight=practice&pagenumber=4
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...103&perpage=6&highlight=practice&pagenumber=4
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...103&perpage=6&highlight=practice&pagenumber=6
looked at an esignal chart from Oct 8 and can't locate your trades on the chart. IB graphical execution report you posted shows local time. Even after going hour by hour I can't find any time that makes it all fit.
When did these trades take place? I'm having trouble matching them up with anything. Even if you were in Australia and the chart was from the trading day of Oct 7, I still can't make the trades fit.
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Hi Grob109,
I compared your fills to a one minute chart of ES for 10-8-03 and I could not match your fills at all. What time zone are you trading in?
Thanx,
Backwardation
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The sale ES 1038.25 at 12:59:41, Arizona time (Mountain timezone with no daylight saving) will make it 15:59:41 est. If it's in demo, it's 15 minutes lagged which means the trade took place at 15:44:41. It's a no go!!!
Maybe I'm mistaken, please explain.
TM Trader
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http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...103&perpage=6&highlight=practice&pagenumber=7
Grob I'm going to have to severly rebuke you. I had I hopes for this execution report. I spend a bit of time trying to figure out when the heck these trades took place. Now you tell me it was all a demo.
As you surely know the demo allows you to hit bids and offers quite unlike real ES trading. Additionally, on some of your fills it was clear the demo allowed you to get a fill at a bid or offer EVEN WHEN NO PRINT OCCURRED. On your last fill, the demo allowed you to get a fill FAR away from where the real market was trading.
If you were really ES trading, you could not make the profits you showed in this demo. I will be interested in your trading when it is REAL trades with REAL money.
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Allow me to be even nastier. Grob made some clear references to his mentoring, what pros can make per hour, that simple beginner trading can profit ONLY $400 an hour etc... When someone comes on ET and talks like that and posts an execution report, I DO NOT expect it to be a freakin demo!
It would be so simple for a REAL pro who is REALLY trading all day, to do a print screen of an execution report and post it, not some demo from an alleged mentoring session. Of course grob didn't do that because grob is not a professional trader. In fact, I don't think he has a real account at IB at all and I doubt he trades.
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Trading is pretty easy when you know when all the turns are coming up. Wonder if the 'mentoree' knew he was looking at a demo which loops old data? Probably impressed the heck out of him. 11 trades, 600 bucks and one miss.
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I just ran the stuff as it perked away on IB. We looked for the data set after not seeing it in the time that the print listed. The two of us looked on Qcharts 1 min to make sure the bars were running the same as the print with consideration to tucson time, IB and qcharts.
Thanks for letting us know we can't do it and why. The streaming looks quite normal to me and I always use market trades. I did not really see much difference between the streaming and the fills. It was always in the ball park and the timing was not very critical.
We will be trading tomorrow. From my past experience, when beginners start up with me, everything goes pretty well. I know ET focuses on a raft of important stuff and considerations. to me, the IB stuff looks very good for use by a beginner. We did a selection of kinds of trades and it just kept perking away. T&S trading is fairly straightforward.
When I post tomorrow's stuff here, if you do not think it is correct let me know. I think the IB account will be accurate from what people say. The demo was probably affected by those using it and the data IB uses in their demo may be imperfect vis a vis locating it to prove the things you need to prove. We were surprised as hell that we could just jump on and use the T&S and skip a lot of other stuff.
Now answer my questions. Nah bet you wont.
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This attachment is 45 mins off a T&S streaming data source on IB.
I use about three rules. I was mentoring beginner at the time today.
You can see by the notes above the 11 trades that it pulls down over 600 bucks an hour.
1.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...103&perpage=6&highlight=practice&pagenumber=4
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...103&perpage=6&highlight=practice&pagenumber=4
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...103&perpage=6&highlight=practice&pagenumber=6
looked at an esignal chart from Oct 8 and can't locate your trades on the chart. IB graphical execution report you posted shows local time. Even after going hour by hour I can't find any time that makes it all fit.
When did these trades take place? I'm having trouble matching them up with anything. Even if you were in Australia and the chart was from the trading day of Oct 7, I still can't make the trades fit.
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Hi Grob109,
I compared your fills to a one minute chart of ES for 10-8-03 and I could not match your fills at all. What time zone are you trading in?
Thanx,
Backwardation
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The sale ES 1038.25 at 12:59:41, Arizona time (Mountain timezone with no daylight saving) will make it 15:59:41 est. If it's in demo, it's 15 minutes lagged which means the trade took place at 15:44:41. It's a no go!!!
Maybe I'm mistaken, please explain.
TM Trader
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http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...103&perpage=6&highlight=practice&pagenumber=7
Grob I'm going to have to severly rebuke you. I had I hopes for this execution report. I spend a bit of time trying to figure out when the heck these trades took place. Now you tell me it was all a demo.
As you surely know the demo allows you to hit bids and offers quite unlike real ES trading. Additionally, on some of your fills it was clear the demo allowed you to get a fill at a bid or offer EVEN WHEN NO PRINT OCCURRED. On your last fill, the demo allowed you to get a fill FAR away from where the real market was trading.
If you were really ES trading, you could not make the profits you showed in this demo. I will be interested in your trading when it is REAL trades with REAL money.
1.
Allow me to be even nastier. Grob made some clear references to his mentoring, what pros can make per hour, that simple beginner trading can profit ONLY $400 an hour etc... When someone comes on ET and talks like that and posts an execution report, I DO NOT expect it to be a freakin demo!
It would be so simple for a REAL pro who is REALLY trading all day, to do a print screen of an execution report and post it, not some demo from an alleged mentoring session. Of course grob didn't do that because grob is not a professional trader. In fact, I don't think he has a real account at IB at all and I doubt he trades.
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Trading is pretty easy when you know when all the turns are coming up. Wonder if the 'mentoree' knew he was looking at a demo which loops old data? Probably impressed the heck out of him. 11 trades, 600 bucks and one miss.
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I just ran the stuff as it perked away on IB. We looked for the data set after not seeing it in the time that the print listed. The two of us looked on Qcharts 1 min to make sure the bars were running the same as the print with consideration to tucson time, IB and qcharts.
Thanks for letting us know we can't do it and why. The streaming looks quite normal to me and I always use market trades. I did not really see much difference between the streaming and the fills. It was always in the ball park and the timing was not very critical.
We will be trading tomorrow. From my past experience, when beginners start up with me, everything goes pretty well. I know ET focuses on a raft of important stuff and considerations. to me, the IB stuff looks very good for use by a beginner. We did a selection of kinds of trades and it just kept perking away. T&S trading is fairly straightforward.
When I post tomorrow's stuff here, if you do not think it is correct let me know. I think the IB account will be accurate from what people say. The demo was probably affected by those using it and the data IB uses in their demo may be imperfect vis a vis locating it to prove the things you need to prove. We were surprised as hell that we could just jump on and use the T&S and skip a lot of other stuff.
Now answer my questions. Nah bet you wont.
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