Objections to SCT

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Quote from doli:

I don't have Excel, and don't know how to use it if I did. Data from a disinterested, verifiable source is also in order.

Are people willing to stipulate that the defintions of trend and channel at stockcharts.com are correct?

Sorry to hear you do not have excel. some people who trade do have it and in high school it is commonly used. Try the local library.

The stockchart stuff is on a beginner level. See if you can upgrade the standard. It is your call I can operate with any referent standard that is set and it will be in spades.

One of the benefits a person gets in a thread that has some substantive content is that they get to modify thier belief system from any of many orientations.

One of those orientations is the one I use: MAKING MONEY.

THE OBJECTIONS THAT YOU WILL FIND ESPOUSED IN THIS THREAD FOR MAKING MONEY WILL BE UNBELIEVABLE AND ASTONISHING.
 
Thank you for your comments Jack, and for your underwhelming endorsement of "Mark Brown". I am not in the habit of devoting time to every new poster here of dubious provenance. And I repeat, do you assert that SCT is applicable to any instrument with "sufficient" liquidity? I am hard pressed to think of a more broadly based statement of the validity of the method. If I am misrememberingor misstating, fine, correct me.
 
Quote from doli:

Why should Excel be necessary?

EXCEL BRINGS THE SCIENCE OF TRADING TO THE FORE. This is the WALK part of trading.

Word is used for the TALK part of trading.


Ask your science teacher or one of your parents.

get a 10B calculator (HP) or equivalent.

Read the instruction book on compound interest and do about 50 sample problems.

Get warmed up.
 
Great approach to thought reform. Bravo, Jack!
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Quote from jack hershey:

Here are several objections to SCT.

I believe they should be taken very seriously.

1. You have to use old prints to see performance as a consequence of the prior ET "war" on our prints which were determined to be printshopping by several people.

2. SCT cannot be learned from books. There will be a complete reference book and two companion books in 2007.

3. People who follow or believe in the convnetional orthodoxy will not be able to trade with SCT.

4. SCT does not use the conventional orthodoxy.

5. SCT requires that your platform for charting be able to have blank space to the right of the forming bar. If you do not, you cannot do the routine.

6. You have to do a routine repeatedly during the day. If you cannot annotate nor if you cannot do a 4 step process that involves using a specific conclusion set, you will not be able to do SCT on any level.

7. SCT involves using a paradigm shift away and out of the conventional orthodoxy. If you do not allow for this you cannot do SCT.


8. SCT deals with an emotions set that involves feelings of support, comfort and confidence. If you are locked into the tested and measured feelings of the conventional orthodoxy (fear, anxiety, and anger) you cannot do SCT. See the following scientists on the conventional consequences of fear, anxiety and anger: R. peterson, Goleman, Lo, Repin and CBOT's Shull.

9. People do not forget. If your have memorie of any of the above objections, they are not going away. You will have to build a wal arond your past knowledge, skills and experience to be able to do SCT. This is impossible after a while if you trade using convnetional orthodoxy. The other thing that makes the transition impossible is repeated failure and where you exhibit the well known Lizard syndrome (google it).

10. Learning to trade and especially learning to trade SCT requires that you do a work process (See Nohkoi's answers to Gerry875 recently). Work is the replacement for all the myths of how people learn to trade. In particular, for SCT the work involves sharing responsibilities with the market where you may not do the market's job ever.

11. If you believe in prediction, you will not be able to do SCT. All of SCT trading is in NOW.

12. SCT trading requires an open mind; it also requires that you do a self examination.

There are dozens more of these kinds of items which, for this thread, are called objections.

This will be a great thread for people to use to come to understand to not do SCT or PVT.

I may alternate each dozen objections by doing links to notable objectors after noting their proven objections for why they do not do PVT and SCT. If anyone wants to parallel my efforts please do it will ramp the thread up to speed more rapidly.
 
If you do not have Excel. You can try "http://spreadsheets.google.com". Save the xls to your computer and then import to the google spreadsheet.

Jack, you can put your numbers and data into a Google spreadsheet directly or import the data and then post the link for others to see. May help you communicate results.
 
Quote from Joe Doaks:

Nkhoi, I was merely attempting to determine the bona fides of Jack's technical reference, who is new to me. Specifically, is he of the inner circle? An im-poster (an alias of a previous poster, we aren't allowing that, you know)? En bref, why should I care that Jack posted his spreadsheet?

If you do not read what I post, it will be a traumatic life change experience for you.

At this point in your life, I am one of the main themes of your type existance.

What you serve as for me is simply a place where you do advertising for me.

every post you make seems to hinge on your past reading of my posts and others who are money makers in the style we have and use.

You, for some reason chose to make me your standard for comparisons.

right now I am waiting for someone to start adding the performance standards of the excel topics in the excel sheets.

I personally could not imagine a kid, today, could not get excel on his computer. But that is how it is for him.
 
"THE OBJECTIONS THAT YOU WILL FIND ESPOUSED IN THIS THREAD FOR MAKING MONEY WILL BE UNBELIEVABLE AND ASTONISHING." ?????

I thought we weren't into predicting.
 
Quote from ramora:

If you do not have Excel. You can try "http://spreadsheets.google.com". Save the xls to your computer and then import to the google spreadsheet.

Jack, you can put your numbers and data into a Google spreadsheet directly or import the data and then post the link for others to see. May help you communicate results.

I am just a responder here.

The sheets are going to be enlarged.

Why don't you host that function in this thread for a few days?

I am making an effort to deal with the whining here about every little twist and turn.

After we get the first 50 objections on the table we will have something to talk about.
 
Well, I guess we see that we aren't going to get a straight answer to a simple basic question. Nit unexpected. So I shall continue with my argument. Let me repeat: I trade NQ with a modicum of success. I would adopt SCT in a flash if I thought it would work better than what I do now, or at least better than the potential of my methods if I traded them perfectly.

The reason I think SCT is not applicalbe with equal efficacy to all high liquidity instruments is the following: IMO every instrument has a personality. I know for a fact that NQ behaves quite idiosyncratically compared to, say, other index futures. I think that SCT is "tuned" to ES. My own system is turned exqusitely to NQ. It may even be that SCT is so popular for trading ES that ES has conformed to SCT.
 
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