Obama with zero countries backing him on syria:I Didn’t Set a Red Line,The World Did

Quote from PiggyBank:

war can solve basically any dispute. while it is probably the ugliest human endeavor and all sides might come out guilty of something.. it can be necessary and has been throughout human history, the US wouldn't even exist if not for war.


Utter nonsense. There are countless examples in human history where one war has led to another.
 
Obama is going for regime change. Where are the protestations?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324577304579054973488682120.html

Updated September 4, 2013, 9:31 p.m. ET

Senate Panel Backs Use of Force Against Syria
Measure Says Goal Should Be to 'Change the Momentum on the Battlefield'; Pentagon Plans More Firepower

A key Senate panel on Wednesday backed President Barack Obama's request to strike Syria, while the Pentagon prepared to employ greater firepower to reach a shifting array of military targets.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee passed a resolution Wednesday saying a goal of U.S. policy will be to "change the momentum on the battlefield'' in Syria's civil war.
 
Shep Smith Lays Into GOP Rep. for Saying Assad Can ‘Continue to Kill His Own People’
by Matt Wilstein | 4:45 pm, September 4th, 2013 VIDEO






Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee, stepped out of today’s hearing on Syria to speak with Fox News’ Shepard Smith this afternoon and ended up in a far more contentious argument that she could have anticipated.

Ros-Lehtinen began by saying many of her initial concerns of U.S. military action in Syria have been “alleviated” by the hearing, especially Secretary of State John Kerry’s assurances that there will be no “boots on the ground.” When she suggested that the Arab League could assist the U.S. in the operation, Smith began pushing back hard.

“The Arab League has emphatically said no,” Smith corrected the congresswoman. “The British are against it. There’s not a nation on the planet, congresswoman–with great respect and admiration–not a nation on the planet that said if you go do this, we’re right there with you.” As for the question of “boots on the ground,” Smith laid out a worst case scenario and asked if the U.S. is prepared to “stir a hornets’ nest that will leave us in full-scale Middle East war.”

When Ros-Lehitinen began defending the United States’ responsibility to hold a “murderous thug” like Bashar al-Assad accountable, Smith countered by laying out the parallels with the Iraq War. “I’m not equating the two things, but I’m saying that our nation is weary,” Smith said. “Why in the world would we bother, when we haven’t even suggested that what we’re doing might stop the slaughter?”

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there were some good guests on fox last night.
guest who did not say we should not attack Assad but guests like Rumsfeld who said...

you don't just fire a warming shot... you have a goal and the warming shot means you will give the other guy a chance to do what you want. (paraphrase)

In short if Obama has not plan for regime chance then it is stupid to send warning shots and will probably makes us look worse than if Obama just eats his words and does nothing.
 
Quote from jem:

there were some good guests on fox last night.
guest who did not say we should not attack Assad but guests like Rumsfeld who said...

you don't just fire a warming shot... you have a goal and the warming shot means you will give the other guy a chance to do what you want. (paraphrase)

In short if Obama has not plan for regime chance then it is stupid to send warning shots and will probably makes us look worse than if Obama just eats his words and does nothing.

Rummy should have followed his own advice, but I do agree, if we're not prepared to launch a full scale attack, stopping at nothing until total victory would be acheived, then we have no business doing anything at all. We just never seem to learn that lesson.
 
Quote from piezoe:

Utter nonsense. There are countless examples in human history where one war has led to another.
cause there wasn't a decisive victor. If you completely destroy the other side, there can't be another war.
 
Quote from PiggyBank:

cause there wasn't a decisive victor. If you completely destroy the other side, there can't be another war.

And if you don't at least intend to "completely destroy the other side's ability to make war", then you've got no business warring yourself.
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

And if you don't at least intend to "completely destroy the other side's ability to make war", then you've go no business warring yourself.
exactly
 
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