We have a different definition of "storming" and that's okay. How upset I am about people getting beaten and tased by cops isn't the point. If police are unlawfully engaging in that activity then I fully support prosecuting them. I don't know how many times or ways I can say that. I'm simply pointing about if you're going to put yourself in the middle of a riot type environment, don't be surprised when shit like that happens. Cops are on edge, many of them being shot, shot at, assaulted in a variety of ways. At some point a violent response is to be expected, perhaps, or perhaps not warranted, but this shouldn't really come as some big surprise.Yeah, but you had to like the "elder-droppings" part.
Look you were implicitly defending the large group of armed mall ninjas storming a government building earlier, but were not too upset about defenseless protesters and standers-by getting beaten, gassed, sprayed, tased and arrested. There's just no accounting for that.
Obama will impose martial law they said, he'll impose a military dictatorship they said...
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So if the armed group in the government building were beaten, tased and arrested because they got into the cops' faces, yelled at them, and would not leave when told the place was closed, you would have been okay with it?
When the subject of the revolt is the police, people don't obey them. This is a common part of police brutality protests.
People who grew up their whole lives in the US don't have any perspective on how thuggish, corrupt and murderous American cops are seen by the rest of the developed world.
For a developed nation.. FFS.. In Ireland in 2000 an old farmer John Carty was shot by police at the end of a 20 hour siege of his home when he finally walked towards them brandishing a shotgun.
The investigations, internal tribunals and lessons applied process went on for years and the conclusion was the police should and could have backed off to a greater distance and waited until he calmed himself. Everyone agreed, even the police. It was also felt that the police were over-armed with Uzis in part due to recent tensions with the IRA and the presence of these firearms made them too aggressive.
That is how it should be in a civilized country. Any avoidable death by police should be a big fucking deal.
People who grew up their whole lives in the US don't have any perspective on how thuggish, corrupt and murderous American cops are seen by the rest of the developed world.
For a developed nation.. FFS.. In Ireland in 2000 an old farmer John Carty was shot by police at the end of a 20 hour siege of his home when he finally walked towards them brandishing a shotgun.
The investigations, internal tribunals and lessons applied process went on for years and the conclusion was the police should and could have backed off to a greater distance and waited until he calmed himself. Everyone agreed, even the police. It was also felt that the police were over-armed with Uzis in part due to recent tensions with the IRA and the presence of these firearms made them too aggressive.
That is how it should be in a civilized country. Any avoidable death by police should be a big fucking deal.
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Why don't you tell us about Northern Ireland.
You can start with Bloody Sunday and then expand your discussion from there.
Yes. Actions have consequences and if one is not prepared to deal with all of them, then one shouldn't have participated to begin with. This is still not similar to the events going on in the streets. Surrounded by thousands of people, many openly violent, will have police more on edge than a few guys yelling at you who have no recent history of doing much more than that, whereas those in the riot are committing acts of violence in real time right in your line of sight. It just isn't the same so reactions will not be the same.
But what about.. Come on. I know American history better than you, I sure as hell know the history of where I grew up (mostly).
Northern Ireland could teach America a lot in this moment as it was also fuelled by daft Irish Americans giving money and guns to terrorists, supporting the boys in the struggle bla bla. Americans who as usual had no clue what was going on but they wanted to feel good..
Remember that Ireland is not Northern Ireland. Different country.
You seem to be totally ignorant of the lengthy history of the Irish Gardai brutality.
Let's help your education process...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_student_protest_in_Dublin#Complaints_of_police_brutality
Making Policing History: Studies of Garda Violence and Resources for Police Reform
http://www.wsm.ie/book/export/html/7668
I guess police violating Constitutional rights still upsets me.... I am funny that way.
It is not OK when it is a Governor but police go for it....
Stop saying riot environment to justify your narrow thinking... We have showed you multiple examples of protests not riots where police went apeshit.
