Obama in bed with Insurance Co.

Quote from AK Forty Seven:

Quote from wjk:

The diff between you and AK is that you don't need to put your opponents on ignore. By the way, he doesn't need you to defend him (if that is your intent). I never considered you the type of rabid Obama butt boy that AK has shown himself to be. Was I wrong? As far as what I have to say...discussion with his type, and maybe yours, is pointless. For a while I enjoyed my discussions with Ak, but I was mistaken about how far to the left he was. I've enjoyed my discussions with you in the past, as well. You seemed pretty reasonable on a lot of issues. Are they over? Are you a committed socialist, too? Yea or nay?

I will end my verbal baiting of Ak here and now. Just disappointed to see how far to the left he really was. I thought he was OK for a time.


I hope you are doing well wjk,I wish you nothing but the best

Thanks Ak. Likewise. I hope you will open your mind up. I apologize for my attacks. It's been a horrible new year for me on many fronts. Perhaps we'll resume our discussions later on. Take care.

WJK.
 
Quote from wjk:

Cuban healthcare worked really well for Chavez, you fucking progressive. Why don't you go try it for awhile.
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First you have to see that Dr. Jose Marquina is (speculate) on the twitter about Chavez health. He speculate/opinion what he think is the problem with the cancer. But Dr. Jose Marquina (IS NOT) oncologist. So then with the twitter Dr. Marquina become popular and huge notice and attention to saying Cuban doctors is not helping Chavez. But if you can follow in Spanish Dr. Marquina, he say Chavez have cancer that is have no cure.
So please stop with your blame. Do you think all the people in the USA with the cancer all can have cure and not die?
 
Quote from PiggyBank:
The private sector has been handling healthcare since the country began, that is indisputable PROOF that it can and was handling it.. what are you talking about?

As for the General Welfare clause:

“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”

"It would be absurd to say, first, that Congress may do what they please and then that they may do this or that particular thing. After giving Congress power to raise money, and apply it to all purposes which they may pronounce necessary to the"general welfare", it would be absurd, to say the least, to supersede a power to raise armies, to provide fleets, etc. In fact, the meaning of the general terms in question must either be sought in the subsequent enumerations which limits and details them, or they convert the Government from one limited as heretofore supposed, to the enumerated powers, into a Government without any limits at all."

- James Madison "the Father of the Constitution"

"They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please . . . . Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. It was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect."

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."

- Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence

So with all due respect, your willfully ignorant opinion doesn't mean much when perhaps the most prominent Founders who helped WRITE and RATIFY our Founding documents, so fucking clearly disagree.


More to my point that they all didn't disagree


Hamilton took the opposite side of Madison and Jefferson

Hamilton was the first Treasury Secretary and father of the US economy


Hamilton was a big central government guy while Madison and Jefferson wanted a smaller central government

Hamilton wrote most of the federalist papers which is the single most important source for Constitutional interpretation

I couldn't find George Washingtons opinion on the general welfare clause but he did pick Hamilton to develop the country's economy which suggest he supported Hamiltons views and Hamilton supported wide use of the general welfare clause





Alexander Hamilton (January 11, 1755 or 1757 – July 12, 1804) was a Founding Father of the United States,soldier, economist, political philosopher, one of America's first constitutional lawyers and the first United States Secretary of the Treasury.

As Secretary of the Treasury, Hamilton was the primary author of the economic policies of the George Washington administration, especially the funding of the state debts by the Federal government, the establishment of a national bank, a system of tariffs, and friendly trade relations with Britain. He became the leader of the Federalist Party, created largely in support of his views, and was opposed by the Democratic-Republican Party, led by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.



Hamilton was among those dissatisfied with the Articles of Confederation—the first attempt at a national governing document—because it lacked an executive, courts, and taxing powers. He led the Annapolis Convention, which successfully influenced Congress to issue a call for the Philadelphia Convention in order to create a new constitution. He was an active participant at Philadelphia and helped achieve ratification by writing 51 of the 85 installments of the Federalist Papers, which supported the new constitution and to this day is the single most important source for Constitutional interpretation


In the new government under President George Washington, Hamilton was appointed the Secretary of the Treasury. An admirer of British political systems, Hamilton was a nationalist who emphasized strong central government and successfully argued that the implied powers of the Constitution could be used to fund the national debt, assume state debts, and create the government-owned Bank of the United States. These programs were funded primarily by a tariff on imports and later also by a highly controversial excise tax on whiskey.
 
Quote from AK Forty Seven:

No we didn't Cap.We understand that Obamacare is only temporary


I'll let one of your right wing brothers explain it to you

That's right, Obamacare is the first step in the path to socialized medicine, and any average American who thinks that is a good thing is being played for a chump. Socialized anything is paying much more money for considerably less service. The elites will have their personal care, and everyone else will have shit.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

1)Hey AK looks like you've really gotten to the righties,2)they're crying like Feinstein did in the video... it's amusing watching them lose their shit.

1)Yeah right he got to me SOOO much HE put ME on ignore!:D

2) At least you admit finklestein was crying just because someone brought up the Constitution and had the temerity to note in her grandstanding reply that she didn't answer the question.

3) What's amusing is taking note of IQ47's cognitive deficits of claiming to be both a business & gun owner and then trying to reconcile his cheerleading support for policies (socialism , arbitrary gun control)that would be anathema to both if he had an ounce of commonsense.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

That's right, Obamacare is the first step in the path to socialized medicine, and any average American who thinks that is a good thing is being played for a chump. Socialized anything is paying much more money for considerably less service. The elites will have their personal care, and everyone else will have shit.
So, be an elite. "Adjust", as Max put it.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

That's right, Obamacare is the first step in the path to socialized medicine, and any average American who thinks that is a good thing is being played for a chump. Socialized anything is paying much more money for considerably less service. The elites will have their personal care, and everyone else will have shit.

We have a lot of chumps in this country.
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

1)Yeah right he got to me SOOO much HE put ME on ignore!:D

:D

bigarrow has a habit of commenting without having bothered to keep up with what he's commenting on.
 
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