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LOL - when exposed as an idiot, just call the other person a 'Liberal'...
you are a classic Neocon failure..
Turn off the trailer park lights by midnight...
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You're not to bright, Optional. Some day maybe you will wise up but it's a long shot.

People as ignorant as yourself usually remain that way for a lifetime.

But thanks for the entertainment. It's always fun to converse with ignorant liberals like yourself and see how badly they can make fools of themselves.
 
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"...Scat, this matter of wealth "redistribution" is one of several things I find inconsistent in the positions you sometimes take...."

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HORSE HOCKEY! I've not been inconsistent in ANY positions I've taken.

Yes, "wealth distribution" got its start, IMV, with T. Roosevelt in 1906. Back then it was a small thing. Now it dominates all of America... and NOT to our benefit... besides being UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

I'm all for ADHERENCE TO THE US CONSTITUTION, AND THE PRINCIPLES OF THE FOUNDERS... smaller government, freedom from government oppression/intervention/surveillance in our lives... individual initiative... "provide for yourself or do society a favor and just die"... NO WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION. "Nobody is ENTITLED to live as a parasite at the expense of others". I hate Odumbo*, Pelosi, Reid... the DemoCraps, Big Government...

When have I ever been inconsistent on any of that??

*Never was a fan of Bush. Can't say I "hated" him, though he was a pissy ego-maniacal little "Napoleon wannabe" who did America harm by being such a selfish and power-hungry prick. Odumbo is 10X worse.
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That you have strongly held opinions I have never questioned, and even admired you for this, though I think some of them are not justified by fact, or well thought out.

You probably have little interest in my own thinking, but in case I am wrong about this, I will tell you that I agree with both the following quotes on democracy and capitalism:

The central problem of free-enterprise capitalism in a modern democracy has always been how to balance the role of the government and that of the market.

...problem stem from the fundamental incompatibility between the goals of capitalism and those of democracy. And yet the two go together, because each of these systems softens the deficiencies of the other. -- Raghuram Rajan (The former IMF chief economist and now Finance Professor at the University of Chicago.)

So far, you have shown me only that you don't seek balance, but something else. I believe we should be careful what we wish for. The small do-nothing government of Calvin Coolidge days has a certain appeal. I don't think, however, that that kind of hands-off government can work anymore in the United States. The capitalists would, I am convinced, run roughshod over labor, and we would become a nation of sharply divided haves and have nots-- ironically we may be headed there anyway. Democracy can not flourish in that kind of society. (I am at heart a libertarian, but I recognize that a successful, large, non-homogenous, libertarian society is improbable.)
 
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You're not to bright, Optional. Some day maybe you will wise up but it's a long shot.

People as ignorant as yourself usually remain that way for a lifetime.

But thanks for the entertainment. It's always fun to converse with ignorant liberals like yourself and see how badly they can make fools of themselves.
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You aren't conversing. You can't hold a coherent conversation.
You just yarp about how much of a stupid face I am and you can't retort.
Christ you are worthless.
 
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You aren't conversing. You can't hold a coherent conversation.
You just yarp about how much of a stupid face I am and you can't retort.
Christ you are worthless.
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As apposed to your incessant fact and information filled rants like the one above, huh?

Just run along moron. You are just a fucking troll and have absolutely nothing to say that anyone here would be interested in reading. You are a laughing stock, stupid.
 
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...ADHERENCE TO THE US CONSTITUTION, AND THE PRINCIPLES OF THE FOUNDERS... smaller government, freedom from government oppression/intervention/surveillance in our lives... individual initiative... "provide for yourself or do society a favor and just die"... NO WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION. "Nobody is ENTITLED to live as a parasite at the expense of others". [/B]
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You just lost the attention of every progressive alive.
 
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The small do-nothing government of Calvin Coolidge days has a certain appeal. I don't think, however, that that kind of hands-off government can work anymore in the United States. The capitalists would, I am convinced, run roughshod over labor, and we would become a nation of sharply divided haves and have nots-- ironically we may be headed there anyway. Democracy can not flourish in that kind of society. (I am at heart a libertarian, but I recognize that a successful, large, non-homogenous, libertarian society is improbable.)
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Gov that grows too large will only seek to increase its own power at any expense and is just as problematic as capitalism guided by a complete lack of morals or ethics. IMO, we already are a nation of have and have nots. The politicians along with the corporations and lobbyists who own them are the haves, and the rest of us...
 
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You just lost the attention of every progressive alive.
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Au contraire... It is makers like you and me who PAY for the takers and their parasite subsidies.

Odumabo thinks income and wealth inequality is the worst thing. But he fails to recognize that when everybody has the same, whether they work or not, soon nobody works and everybody has little or nothing.... except for the ruling class... who lives well from the large vig they raked off the top before the crumbs get distributed among the "equals".

THAT'S the "fundamental transformation of America" Odumbo has in mind for us. And unfortunately, the power hungry scumbags and greedy ne'er-do-wells are enabling him and the disaster he brings.



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Gov that grows too large will only seek to increase its own power at any expense and is just as problematic as capitalism guided by a complete lack of morals or ethics. IMO, we already are a nation of have and have nots. The politicians along with the corporations and lobbyists who own them are the haves, and the rest of us...
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There is nothing here that I would disagree with. In fact that's rather my thinking as well. What most of us want, I think, rather than small government, is a good, efficient government that is just big enough to do the things that government must do, and no bigger. We don't all agree, however, on what those things that government must do are. That's where democracy and majority rule comes into play, or should.
My personal opinion is that we have, at present, some very serious problems with our government that urgently need attention.
 
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Au contraire... It is makers like you and me who PAY for the takers and their parasite subsidies.

Odumabo thinks income and wealth inequality is the worst thing. But he fails to recognize that when everybody has the same, whether they work or not, soon nobody works and everybody has little or nothing.... except for the ruling class... who lives well from the large vig they raked off the top before the crumbs get distributed among the "equals".

THAT'S the "fundamental transformation of America" Odumbo has in mind for us. And unfortunately, the power hungry scumbags and greedy ne'er-do-wells are enabling him and the disaster he brings.



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Scat, I can highly recommend Raghuram G. Rajans book "Fault Lines," to you. Very clear writing about the U.S. economy in the context of the larger global economy and the origins of "the transformation of America" that has you so upset. If you want to solve a problem you must first understand its origin. Even if we are not the ones to solve the problem, understanding its roots will help us make wise political decisions as voters.
 
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