Not 97% but .3% of Climatologists agree.

futurecurrents · Nov 27, 2013

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2013 Hurricane Season Summary
2 Hurricanes - Neither above Category 1.
13 Named Storms

Fewest hurricanes since 1982.
Weakest season since 1950.

Alarmists: "Global Warming is causing increasing and more severe storms that are going to devastate mankind".

Mother Nature: "Bullshit. I'm the boss".

Of course you are stupid enough to think one year means something. You can't help it. You're Republican.

But here's some science anyway. We know AGW is causing the surface waters of the tropical oceans to heat up. This in turn is causing an increase in hurricane activity.

Figure 1: Time series of late summer tropical Atlantic sea surface temperature (blue) and the Power Dissipation Index (green), a measure of hurricane activity which depends on the frequency, duration, and intensity of hurricanes over a season. The annual data have been smoothed with a low-pass filter to emphasize fluctuations on time scales of several years and longer. From Emanuel (2007)

http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes

stoic · Nov 27, 2013

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.... We know AGW is causing the surface waters of the tropical oceans to heat up. This in turn is causing an increase in hurricane activity......

The Associated Press Nov. 25, 2013

MIAMI -- The 2013 Atlantic season has delivered the fewest hurricanes since 1982, U.S. forecasters said Monday, despite their predictions in May that it would be a busier than normal year.
"It was a busted forecast," said Chris Landsea, a forecaster at the National Hurricane Center. "We did not anticipate it to be a quiet year."

Forecasters had predicted 13 to 20 named Atlantic storms, seven to 11 that strengthen into hurricanes and three to six that become major hurricanes.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said there was a 70 percent chance that this year was going to be more active than an average hurricane season. NOAA only put the chance of a quiet year at 5 percent.

...you remember NOAA, Chicken Little...?

jem · Nov 28, 2013

you are such a troll. whether salby is a moron or not is irrelevant.

the fact is his review of the the data shows that change in ocean temps has been driving c02 levels

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So, let's get one thing straight, Salby, like you, is an asshole. So of course you quote him.

And second, rising CO2 levels lead temps higher. Do you know why? Because CO2 is a greenhouse gas, you idiot. You DO know what a greenhouse gas is right?

Of course you don't. You are a particularly fucked up Republican.

gwb-trading · Nov 28, 2013

For today's amusing Op-Ed we have climate alarmist Michael Mann calling out the New York Times because they didn't aggressively support his discredited 'hockey stick' theory.

Something Is Rotten at the New York Times (Op-Ed)
http://news.yahoo.com/something-rotten-york-times-op-ed-190914919.html

It is amazing the extent that the climate alarmists like Mann will go to smear scientists and media articles that disagree with them. This Op-Ed is a typical example of the regular obscene attacks; rather than letting the facts and measurements speak for themselves, Mann & others spend their hours attacking respected scientists like Richard Muller who provide fact filled commentary with complete factual details. Maybe Mann and others need to spend their time providing data-driven information to refute the facts rather than smearing and attacking others.

futurecurrents · Nov 28, 2013

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For today's amusing Op-Ed we have climate alarmist Michael Mann calling out the New York Times because they didn't aggressively support his discredited 'hockey stick' theory.

Something Is Rotten at the New York Times (Op-Ed)
http://news.yahoo.com/something-rotten-york-times-op-ed-190914919.html

It is amazing the extent that the climate alarmists like Mann will go to smear scientists and media articles that disagree with them. This Op-Ed is a typical example of the regular obscene attacks; rather than letting the facts and measurements speak for themselves, Mann & others spend their hours attacking respected scientists like Richard Muller who provide fact filled commentary with complete factual details. Maybe Mann and others need to spend their time providing data-driven information to refute the facts rather than smearing and attacking others.

The hockey stick is proven, real and factual. You are an idiot. In fact Richard Muller proved it is real. Happy Thanksgiving idiot. Now, please try to get a clue.

futurecurrents · Nov 28, 2013

Quote from jem:

you are such a troll. whether salby is a moron or not is irrelevant.

the fact is his review of the the data shows that change in ocean temps has been driving c02 levels

And CO2 is a greenhouse gas ........fool.

futurecurrents · Nov 28, 2013

Quote from stoic:

The Associated Press Nov. 25, 2013

MIAMI -- The 2013 Atlantic season has delivered the fewest hurricanes since 1982, U.S. forecasters said Monday, despite their predictions in May that it would be a busier than normal year.
"It was a busted forecast," said Chris Landsea, a forecaster at the National Hurricane Center. "We did not anticipate it to be a quiet year."

Forecasters had predicted 13 to 20 named Atlantic storms, seven to 11 that strengthen into hurricanes and three to six that become major hurricanes.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said there was a 70 percent chance that this year was going to be more active than an average hurricane season. NOAA only put the chance of a quiet year at 5 percent.

...you remember NOAA, Chicken Little...?

You are confusing hurricane frequency with hurricane activity. A common problem with folks who get their info from right wing sources.

Hurricane intensity has increased. Stating such profits no one, but potential profits are harmed by doing so. It's not a fair fight.

There is no doubt that hurricane intensity has increased since the seventies due to the water warming due to AGW.

gwb-trading · Nov 28, 2013

Let's go over reality once again. First fact - Anthropogenic Warming is not proven.

In recent history, science tells us that there was a natural warming 2000 years ago, another natural one 1000 years ago, and so the current cycle now could have been easily predicted and is probably natural as well.

From a long term perspective, the early part of the Carboniferous (Early Carboniferous), 360 to 325 million years ago was mostly warm about 10 degrees C warmer than today; in the later part of the Carboniferous, the climate cooled. Atmospheric CO2 was a little higher in the early Carboniferous at 1500 PPM; dropping to 350ppm in the later Carboniferous period - where today is about 380ppm. In the last 600 million years of Earth's history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

In conclusion if anything we do not have enough CO2 in the atmosphere we need to burn more coal!!

gwb-trading · Nov 28, 2013

Quote from futurecurrents:

You are confusing hurricane frequency with hurricane activity. A common problem with folks who get their info from right wing sources.

Hurricane intensity has increased. Stating such profits no one, but potential profits are harmed by doing so. It's not a fair fight.

There is no doubt that hurricane intensity has increased since the seventies due to the water warming due to AGW.

An update to US Hurricane Intensity 1900-2012 â no recent trend with hurricane Sandy
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/...00-2012-no-recent-trend-with-hurricane-sandy/

futurecurrents · Nov 28, 2013

Quote from gwb-trading:

Let's go over reality once again. First fact - Anthropogenic Warming is not proven.

In recent history, science tells us that there was a natural warming 2000 years ago, another natural one 1000 years ago, and so the current cycle now could have been easily predicted and is probably natural as well.

From a long term perspective, the early part of the Carboniferous (Early Carboniferous), 360 to 325 million years ago was mostly warm about 10 degrees C warmer than today; in the later part of the Carboniferous, the climate cooled. Atmospheric CO2 was a little higher in the early Carboniferous at 1500 PPM; dropping to 350ppm in the later Carboniferous period - where today is about 380ppm. In the last 600 million years of Earth's history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

In conclusion if anything we do not have enough CO2 in the atmosphere we need to burn more coal!!

Nothing in science is proven. Yet we use it anyway. CO2 is a greenhouse gas and we have increased it's levels 40%. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out will happen. It's almost too simple. Like the fact that Oswald acted alone.

And why should we care about charts with million year time scales? I know they are like shiny things to denialists, but they are essentially irrelevant when talking about recent atmospheric influences on a few hundred year time scale.