Nobody to match Bush

Quote from KymarFye:

Very thoughtful essay explaining (again) why a committed European leftist supports Bush against many self-identified leftist critics and politicians. Includes a thoughtful comparison to Cold War Era US policy, and some comments on Chomsky and Schroeder, among others.

(Scroll down to Bush and the Left)

http://oliverkamm.blogspot.com/2003_07_13_oliverkamm_archive.html#105856694060079304

Everyone you happen to agree with you deem "thoughtful."

You are so full of intellectual dishonesty, just amazing.

If I linked to a right winger who was against Bush and favored Dean, no matter what points they made you would deem their position "loony."

I notice you were silent when recently Buckley trashed Bush on several issues. But then, Buckley is an old line conservative, not the current brand of neocons that roam the halls of spin.
 
Victor Davis Hanson's summary of what Bush has accomplished since 9/11, from a thoughtful essay on whether Bush's policies are better viewed as "corrections" toward a more moderate relationship with the world rather than the excessively compromised, gullible, and dangerous complacency and retreat that we fell into during the last years of the Cold War and the first years of the "peace dividend":

The problem with deterrence — apparently sometimes forgotten by our former presidents — is that it is not static, but a creature of the moment, captive to impression, and nursed on action, not talk. It must be maintained hourly and can erode or be lost with a single act of failed nerve, despite all the braggadocio of threatened measures. And, once gone, the remedies needed for its restoration are always more expensive, deadly — and controversial — than would have been its simple maintenance.

Throughout this war there have been several occasions when the administration took on some pretty hard choices — in the face of predictably shrill outcries both here and abroad — to restore American deterrence and credibility. Had our leaders failed on a single occasion, we would be now facing disaster and another 9/11, rather than the rout of al Qaeda, the Taliban, and Saddam Hussein, together with the current sobering introspection in Europe, reappraisal in Korea, and new maturity with our other allies.

First, less than a month after September 11, the Bush administration went right into Afghanistan on October 7 — a vital response taken without much military aid from our allies and with plenty of criticism from elites both here and abroad.

Second, very soon afterward, there arose cries of "quagmire" over the purportedly slow progress of the Northern Alliance. In response, the administration simply pressed on, kept to the plan, and ignored crazy trial balloons such as U.N. ceasefires, coalition governments with the Taliban, and Islamic peacekeepers.

Third, the decision to ostracize Mr. Arafat was long overdue — how can a current terrorist habitually bunk at the White House? — but it took courage nonetheless.

Fourth, Mr. Rumsfeld's revolutionary reappraisal of bases in Europe was perhaps not pretty, but ultimately was beneficial for both them and us. When he says he is "contemplating" adjusting our "footprint," he really does mean redeploying or withdrawing troops, not polite chitchat at Euro-conferences. He is a different sort, in other words, than the last dozen or so defense secretaries.

Fifth, the reexamination of the Korean crisis caused allies, neutrals, and enemies to grasp that the old game of bribery and Sunshine silliness was at last ending.

Sixth, the decision to attack Saddam Hussein — in the face of hysterical threats of "tens of thousands" killed, "millions of refugees," and the Armageddon to come from the Arab Street — finally addressed the entire decade-long charade of broken agreements, no-fly zones, lying, aid to terrorists, and future security threats.

Seventh, in the face of further panic over the supposed "quagmire" and "too few troops on the ground," we nevertheless kept with the plan and had crushed our Baathist adversaries within three weeks.

Eighth, American determination in the mess of postwar Iraq has remained steady amid the shouting about the looting of archaeological treasures, giving way to missing weapons of mass destruction as the new Watergate, leading to the present sniping about a new Vietnam. If our past flight from Beirut, Haiti, and Mogadishu is any indication, even Mr. Reagan, and certainly Mr. Clinton, would have had all the troops home after the first murders, and Iraq would now be left to stew in its own terrorist juices.

Instead, in the upcoming months — given the fact the new liberators are offering the gift of democracy, while the old murderers are offering more of the same death and mayhem — the attacks will taper off, the story about the Husseins' whereabouts will unfold, the mystery of the missing WMD will be solved, we will navigate through the uncharted waters of Iraqi reconstruction — and, once more, the present peddlers of gloom will be refuted.

Thanks to these resolute policies, after a brief three-week war and a mere four months of occupation, the Baathists are deposed, an Iraq national council is meeting, and the Middle East is in the midst of a vast reappraisal — at the cost, so far, of 200 brave soldiers. Where critics see turmoil — chaos in Iraq, saber-rattling with Iran, and banditry in Afghanistan — there are in fact the hard birth-pangs of consensual government, and the dying of an old order of both fascism and theocracy.

Again, at any one of these junctures I think prior administrations might well have faltered, paused, or compromised — with lethal results, both for the present and future. So for all the present invective, we must keep a sense of balance about the past two years, when the tab for two decades' worth of unresponsiveness and frequent inaction finally came due on 9/11 and on this president's watch.

Mr. Bush is not a radical intent on creating an American Empire. Rather, he seems to me a conservative who seeks to end the radical and quite dangerous policies of the last few years that went so much against American values and responsibility, and indeed against human nature itself. In that sense, the success of this critical restoration can be monitored precisely by the angst that it now arouses from the beneficiaries of a past American gullibility.

That Mr. Bush has not always been liked through this difficult reestablishment of sanity about America's role around the globe is lamentable, but also to be expected. Yet if he is successful in this long-term endeavor, we will have then reestablished deterrence, and our next administration will have it a little easier in maintaining rather than creating ex nihilo American reliability and respect.

Over the past two years we have been trying to return from an out-of-kilter past to the mean: to a place where terrorists do not believe it is tolerable to poach some Americans, where nations do not unleash their stealthy killers loose against us, where we cease ignoring — or paying bribes — to murderers, and where our allies resemble friends rather than enemies.

I also liked his observations on the issue of "loose talk":

Take Europe, or even Canada. The problem is not really, as alleged, our sudden "unilateralism" — much less Mr. Rumsfeld's supposedly impolitic use of terms like "Old Europe" or the shunning of hurt leaders. After all, the real gaffes and trash-talking in the recent crises mostly emanated from abroad — and in a manner not quite seen before.

Remember various Germans' eerie evocations of Bush/Hitler, "another Caesar," Jews in Miami and New York, clicking one's heels, the German way, and other foul nonsense. Certain French apparatchiks and their consorts weighed in with slurs against Turkey and Eastern Europe ("end of Europe," "foreign culture," the need to stay "in their places," etc.) or Israel ("sh**ty little country"). Canada's officials chimed in with "moron," and other assorted outbursts. In contrast, very few in the Bush administration engaged in such childish smears.

Full piece at:

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson071803.asp
 
Quote from KymarFye:

Victor Davis Hanson's summary of what Bush has accomplished since 9/11, from a thoughtful essay on whether Bush's policies are better viewed as "corrections" toward a more moderate relationship with the world rather than the excessively compromised, gullible, and dangerous complacency and retreat that we fell into during the last years of the Cold War and the first years of the "peace dividend":



I also liked his observations on the issue of "loose talk":



Full piece at:

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson071803.asp

Oh.......a thoughtful essay.
 
"The problem with deterrence — apparently sometimes forgotten by our former presidents — is that it is not static, but a creature of the moment, captive to impression, and nursed on action, not talk. It must be maintained hourly and can erode or be lost with a single act of failed nerve, despite all the braggadocio of threatened measures. And, once gone, the remedies needed for its restoration are always more expensive, deadly — and controversial — than would have been its simple maintenance."

Most reasonable people who invest themselves in any successful relationship with another person could say on the basis of real life experiences:

The problem with relationships-----apparently sometimes forgotten by the single or the divorced or those too self centered and unwilling to grow, change and compromise sufficiently to work out their differences with others-----is that they (relationships) are not static, but a creature of the moment, captive to impression, and nursed on action, not talk. It must be maintained hourly and can erode or be lost with a single act of failed communication or breach of faith, despite all the professed love and fraternity or threat of consequences if the boundaries of the relationship are not preserved. And, once gone, the remedies needed for its restoration are always more expensive, deadly----and painful-----than would have been its simple maintenance.
 
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Everyone you happen to agree with you deem "thoughtful."

You are so full of intellectual dishonesty, just amazing.

If I linked to a right winger who was against Bush and favored Dean, no matter what points they made you would deem their position "loony."

I notice you were silent when recently Buckley trashed Bush on several issues. But then, Buckley is an old line conservative, not the current brand of neocons that roam the halls of spin.

Needless to say, you don't show that you even read the piece that was linked. Instead, yet once again, you demonstrate an incapacity to deal with arguments and issues, and instead turn to contrived personal attacks - it's how you deal with Bush, it's how you deal with me and others on this thread, it's how you deal with people in the ET chatroom. It seems to be who and what you are.

Even your fantasy policy for dealing with Iraq comes down to the same thing: Because you personally like to think of yourself as being against Saddam Hussein, to you it's the same as supporting policies that effectively opposed him, and in your imagination it clears you of the charge of objectively supporting his grip on power, freeing you to claim that those who did in fact support the only viable plan for deposing him are part of some "immoral majority." All that seems to matter to you is your own personal emotional reaction. You probably think that if you put up a post with "Saddam is a loooooozer" in size=8 font, it would qualify as a realistic policy for ridding the Iraqi people and the world of him.
 
Quote from KymarFye:



Needless to say, you don't show that you even read the piece that was linked. Instead, yet once again, you demonstrate an incapacity to deal with arguments and issues, and instead turn to contrived personal attacks - it's how you deal with Bush, it's how you deal with me and others on this thread, it's how you deal with people in the ET chatroom. It seems to be who and what you are.

Even your fantasy policy for dealing with Iraq comes down to the same thing: Because you personally like to think of yourself as being against Saddam Hussein, to you it's the same as supporting policies that effectively opposed him, and in your imagination it clears you of the charge of objectively supporting his grip on power, freeing you to claim that those who did in fact support the only viable plan for deposing him are part of some "immoral majority." All that seems to matter to you is your own personal emotional reaction. You probably think that if you put up a post with "Saddam is a loooooozer" in size=8 font, it would qualify as a realistic policy for ridding the Iraqi people and the world of him.

Needless to say, you don't show that you even read the response of mine and considered it to possibly be an accurate perception. Instead, yet once again, you demonstrate an incapacity to deal with criticism, and instead turn to your own brand of holier than thou contrived personal attacks - it's how you deal with criticism, it's how you deal with me and others on this thread, it's how you deal with people in the ET chatroom. It seems to be who and what you are.

Even your fantasy policy for dealing with those of differing opinions comes down to the same thing: Because you personally like to think of yourself as being right or smarter than others, to you it's the same as supporting your conclusions because you see yourself as right, and in your imagination it clears you of the charge of subjectivity and bias, supporting your continual spin of the issues to your own brand of neocon rhetoric, freeing you to claim that those who don't support you are dangerous or perhaps not American as the only viable plan for defending your position on the basis of some temporal "moral majority" as seen in public opinion polls. All that seems to matter to you is your own personal bias, agenda, and self righteous perspectives. You probably think that if you put up a post with "this leftwing website and author are lunatics" in size=8 font, it would qualify as a realistic policy for convincing people that your opinions are the correct options to have.
 
I love the way the administration's critics dance around the issue. Are they for the war or not? Several of their dwarf presidential candidates voted to support the war, so they are in an awkward position. One way out is to focus on irrelevant details like the uranium non-issue.

I have more respect for the posters here who were against the war from the outset and made their arguments. I personally had some doubts, as preemptivce invasion is a big step, and I also have some qualms about the neo-con swamp draining strategy. When we went in though, I think you have to support the team. I have zero respect for the John Kerry's and others who voted to support the war, supported Clinton's attack on Iraq, but now are in high dugeon over some idiotic debating point.
 
The Center for Strategic and International Studies Report

The most poignant and descriptive part of the report comes in the preamble to the conclusions:

“Eleven days in Iraq left indelible images in our minds. Fathers escorting young girls to school; young men waiting in long lines everywhere jobs are announced; young kids flashing the thumbs-up sign (and swarming around us asking for money); a rebuilt prison with a newly installed manager; retrained Iraqi police officers directing traffic; snaking lines of cars at gas stations; a festive 4th of July party thrown by the Kurds in the north (and celebrating 4th of July at Saddam’s palace in Baghdad); racing through small towns in heavily armed convoys; 19-year old American soldiers standing out in 120 degree heat to guard Iraqi sites, and chatting on street corners with Iraqi children; the blackness and heat of the night with power shortages; the pleasure of a shower after days without running water; the energy, commitment, and intensity of Iraqis as they discussed their country’s future; the natural beauty of the mountains in the north and Iraq’s fertile crescent; the pride and professionalism of Iraqi members of newly established town councils; the palpable fear of Iraqis out in the street after the sun goes down, and the security bubble U.S. officials work in; the high expectations of Iraqis as to what the United States can provide, and their frustration and anger over intermittent electricity and water service; the resourcefulness of U.S. and British troops as they restart civil society; the sincere efforts of civilians to forge ahead despite the looming insecurity; devastated university buildings in Basra, completely ravaged by looters; the opulence of Saddam’s palaces; and Iraq’s ancient history and cultural richness.

"As we traveled throughout the country, it was impossible not to be impressed by the character and drive of the coalition forces, the dedication and enthusiasm of the CPA, the wearied endurance of the Iraqi people, and the enormity of the opportunities, challenges, and risks before them all."
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I truly hope that all of the carping and naysaying won't stop the progress or defeat the accomplishments or embolden the old regime or weaken our resolve. I don't know whether the carpers really want us to pull out and allow a repeat of the 1991 massacres or just get rid of Bush so his replacement can continue the job and then claim the whole job was theirs. Either way is dishonest, so what is new with the libs.
 
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