Nobel Winner's Comments about Blacks

[Hansel H]

Quote from nutmeg:

Suppose we assume over the recent years, every black with any means (financial or intellectual) has moved out of the the inner city as we know it. In prior years we had blacks with traditional values and aspirations that could not move out but lived among the "don't cares", they tempered the despair of the neighborhood. Now they have left.

We are left with the hard core in the inner city, crime is more violent and senseless and inexplicable. To wit, when people like Bill Cosby look to blame the victim and meets an outcry, maybe the outcry is justified, because what is left in the inner city are the truly hopeless and possibly unable to help themselves.

Good point. It's like the effect of boiling water in a cauldron; eventually all that's left is an unworkable residue. An alternative metaphor might be that the wheat is separating itself from the chaff and what's left may be of questionable economic relevance. If we accept this as true, however, it would seem to work for the 77's of the world. 77 could argue ( assuming he could actually construct an argument ) that all that's left is chaff so why not just Warsaw Ghetto the inner city and.. and what?

I can't see Americans ever going for 'the final solution to the negro problem' but I can see them ignoring the inner city to death - literally. Isn't this essentially what's happening already? I'll bet a lot of deadly disputes in the inner city are motivated by things as basic as getting something to eat.

The global Megatrend is to laissez-faire; if you can't make it on your own kindly go away and die. Even the most democratic nations are becoming less and less sympathetic. The shift in power from the people to wealth is rapidly dehumanizing our world.

I'll stop now; i feel myself on the verge of a rant.

 

[Hansel H]

Quote from jamjob_ramjet:

looks like the point missed you

note that i had 'racist' in quotes

after having his family harmed by a black man, any guy is going to be more wary of black strangers, even if he has black friends

Even the most rational person will react emotionally to the situation you describe. If the victim hates blacks ( at least in the short term ) after he's been grievously damaged by a black it's arguably only human, especially given all the ambient negative images of blacks we have available for our emotions to attach themselves to.

The thing is, though, only a small minority of whites are actually victimized by the spillover of inner city degeneration so that the great majority of us have the opportunity to understand the situation in more rational terms.

It isn't reasonable for a person who's never been harmed by blacks to hate blacks.

Do you agree with this point if we take it in isolation - that is, without considering other factors like affirmative action, history, white guilt, media agendas, etc. ?

 

[Hansel H]

Quote from jamjob_ramjet:

where would you rather walk at midnight on a saturday night, if you had to pick one

through a white trailer park

or a black inner city?

Depends on whether you're white or you're black.

 

[CoolTraderDude]

Hello everyone...

As a white person I have to comment on the racism displayed on this thread against other whites.

I do not think that it is acceptable to call white people derogatory names such as "cracker" and "redneck". These are obviously racist. The fact that the people who posted them were allowed to post clearly display the double standards of our North American society.

Moving on to the subject...

WATSON right or wrong...?

I think that his statement is pointless since there is no real study to prove it. Unless I'm mistaken the "gene" for intelligence hasn't been discovered yet. However, Watson also refers to "social" policies towards Africa based on intelligence. Had he changed his phrasing a little he might have been right! There is a huge cultural and social gap between Africa and the developed world. As such, it stands to reason that our "enlightened" approach to African problems will fail. The truth is that most people don't actually understand African problems but they feel like getting involved anyway and end up making things worse...

 

[CoolTraderDude]

"It isn't reasonable for a person who's never been harmed by blacks to hate blacks."

Hansel H... Actually, it isn't reasonable to hate at all....

 

[CoolTraderDude]

LAISSEZ FAIRE POLICY

I am of the opinion that both Africans and African Americans need to work out their problems on their own.

There seems to be a substantial drive on the part of white run charities to take a paternalistic approach to what some people refer to as "the black problem".

This is incredibly patronizing! I think most blacks are perfectly capable to make decisions on their own and to run their own lives.

What exactly are we trying to solve? Aren't we saying that blacks are inferior and that they can't take care of themselves when we take a crusader approach to their perceived problems?

 

[Hansel H]

Quote from CoolTraderDude:

Hello everyone...

There is a huge cultural and social gap between Africa and the developed world. As such, it stands to reason that our "enlightened" approach to African problems will fail. The truth is that most people don't actually understand African problems but they feel like getting involved anyway and end up making things worse...

America keeps making the same mistake - meddling in other cultures' affairs without understanding those cultures. The latest example is Iraq; what on earth made Bush et al think that Iraqis were ready for an overnight shift to democracy. The probability of democracy succeeding in Iraq is 0.

Sometimes democracy can be imposed on a society that has little in its history indicating democracy might take; we saw this in post-war Japan. The difference between Japan and Iraq is that Japan was a oneness evolved in isolation over many centuries where Iraq is an agglomeration artificially assembled in the 1920's by outsiders ( British ) for purely exploitative reasons.

Um.. I seem to be drifting off-topic here.

 

[Hansel H]

Quote from CoolTraderDude:

"It isn't reasonable for a person who's never been harmed by blacks to hate blacks."

Hansel H... Actually, it isn't reasonable to hate at all....

Depends on how you're using "reasonable".

 

[jamjob_ramjet]

Quote from Hansel H:

Even the most rational person will react emotionally to the situation you describe. If the victim hates blacks ( at least in the short term ) after he's been grievously damaged by a black it's arguably only human, especially given all the ambient negative images of blacks we have available for our emotions to attach themselves to.

The thing is, though, only a small minority of whites are actually victimized by the spillover of inner city degeneration so that the great majority of us have the opportunity to understand the situation in more rational terms.

It isn't reasonable for a person who's never been harmed by blacks to hate blacks.

Do you agree with this point if we take it in isolation - that is, without considering other factors like affirmative action, history, white guilt, media agendas, etc. ?

I said 'wary of', and you changed my words to hate, then knocked down the strawman of whether 'hate' is right

in my example, did i say he would then hate or even drop his black friends? -> No

my original comment below

"looks like the point missed you

note that i had 'racist' in quotes

after having his family harmed by a black man, any guy is going to be more wary of black strangers, even if he has black friends"

we are so conditioned to twist any realistic discussion of race into 'racism', whether we realize it or not - above is a perfect example

 

[CoolTraderDude]

"America keeps making the same mistake - meddling in other cultures' affairs without understanding those cultures. The latest example is Iraq; what on earth made Bush et al think that Iraqis were ready for an overnight shift to democracy. The probability of democracy succeeding in Iraq is 0."

I agree with you 100%!
Not only America but the EU as well.

You are on topic.....

I just read that the EU is planning on sending troops to Darfur... Hmmm.... Strange.... Why are they getting involved now? I mean so many years of genocide have passed and nothing was done... Could it possibly be to counter Chinese political influence on the African continent? China is striking up deals with anyone who has resources.