New NASA Study Shows CO2 causes Cooling

Quote from futurecurrents:

.......The temp swings seen in the past could only have been because of CO2 accentuating the small <font color=red>solar changes</font>.....
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Now this is something new out of you. "Solar Changes."

So, now you at least admit that it is the Sun that is initiating the warming and cooling cycles. And, now the Sun has entered a long term cooling cycle.

So, like the Maunder Minimum we are at risk of another possible little ice age, or possibly even worse depending upon how weak the solar changes become.

Even though you are absolutely wrong about the CO2 contribution, I'm glad to see that you have finally come around to believing that planetary warming and cooling cycles are a result of changes in the sun's various forces upon earth.
 
bullshit...

historical charts show that co2 lags temps by 200 to 800 years.

the current charts show co2 going up and temperatures not going up for the last 17 years.

recent revelations by the MET office indicate that temperatures have not gone up outside of natural variation in a statistically discernable manner since the industrial revolution.

I have produced all that evidence on these threads.

the one study you seem to be referencing is the one I produced for you.
And it showed the warming happened first then the co2 was released and they speculated that co2 was responsible for warming in a different hemisphere.


You have never produced any science showing man made co2 causes warming on earth.

All you have to do is link to right here and show you are not a massive liar.

Regarding spectrograph analysis...

showing that one property of co2 could be reflecting heat back down is not the same as saying it causes warming when added to the environment... not if by adding it... it first reflects heat into space.


You have to show a net warming... NASA just told you it is a thermostat and very effective coolant.

Now use your brain.. and link to some science.

note... when asked for the science in the past you produced bullshit about 97% of scientists... or a chart which shows co2 lagging temps...






Quote from futurecurrents:

You've been shown a thousand times. Everything from spectrographic analysis showing reduction of transmission at the wavelengths for CO2 to historical charts that show CO2 and temperatures in lock step. The temp swings seen in the past could only have been because of CO2 accentuating the small solar changes.

The science behind the greenhouse effect of CO2 is about as solid as science gets.

As Richter points out above, you only see the science that seems to support your batshit crazy position.

See your doctor about changing your meds. The one's you're on now aren't working.

This goes for pisspoor also. You guys are just fucking nuts, or crazed ideologues, same thing.
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You've been shown a thousand times. Everything from spectrographic analysis showing reduction of transmission at the wavelengths for CO2 to historical charts that show CO2 and temperatures in lock step. The temp swings seen in the past could only have been because of CO2 accentuating the small solar changes.

The science behind the greenhouse effect of CO2 is about as solid as science gets.

As Richter points out above, you only see the science that seems to support your batshit crazy position.

See your doctor about changing your meds. The one's you're on now aren't working.

This goes for pisspoor also. You guys are just fucking nuts, or crazed ideologues, same thing.
 
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1. you are completely full of shit...

link to your science.. that shows man made co2 warming the earth.

if you do you will be famous... because no scientists has been able to to produce it. If they had they would be famous and the story would be all over.

2. now for you speculation....


What a bunch of junk "could have only been from co2 accentuating solar chances"...

Much better speculation was cited earlier on this thread -- the forbes article.. where the author explained the PDO cycle tracks with the warming and cooling

And as I am sure you know... the ocean releases co2 when it warms.

so we sea... Sun warmth cycles up -- hits earth.. ocean warms... releases co2 ...which is an insignificant part of the greenhouse effect when compared to water vapor... earth warms til the earth changes or the sun changes...

now for my speculation... we warm until the ocean releases enough co2 to block enough of the the suns warming rays.
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then we cycle back down with the PDO causes the oceans to absorb co2.
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3. Now back to the science we have...

you have linked to zero science showing man made co2 causes warming on earth...

This thread was started with science about CO2 being a coolant.

AS NASA says CO2 is a thermostat and a coolant in our atmosphere. ( NASA presented the science as seen on the first post of this thread. ) we are still waiting to show the science that CO2 is causing warming on the earth.


Quote from futurecurrents:

You've been shown a thousand times. Everything from spectrographic analysis showing reduction of transmission at the wavelengths for CO2 to historical charts that show CO2 and temperatures in lock step. The temp swings seen in the past could only have been because of CO2 accentuating the small solar changes.

The science behind the greenhouse effect of CO2 is about as solid as science gets.

As Richter points out above, you only see the science that seems to support your batshit crazy position.

See your doctor about changing your meds. The one's you're on now aren't working.

This goes for pisspoor also. You guys are just fucking nuts, or crazed ideologues, same thing.
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Futurecunt you are an idiot and a fool. You've been shown by the OP that CO2 is a net coolant.

So, increased solar output makes the planet warmer (which you said you agree with). CO2 and NO moderate that warmth by reflecting 95% of the sun's energy back out into space.

Your entire premise has been shot to hell by science, futurecunt.

Stop being so stupid, brotherfucker. Short of wising up, why don't you save the rest of us your pain and just put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger. :D
 
"Principia Scientific" linked in the OP are hard core climate deniers who wrote the book "Slaying the Dragon".

They have nothing to do with science, except in trying to fuck about with it. Indulging in fact twisting re-interpretations, utterly misrepresenting the NASA report which was to do with upper atmospheric reflection of solar energy. Not the reflection of an entirely different energy type by the lower atmosphere, which does not act exactly the same, re-radiating energy into space AND reflecting it back to Earth.

As a matter of fact NASA couldn’t be more clear in their reports…..
  • "Most climate scientists agree the main cause of the current global warming trend is human expansion of the 'greenhouse effect'.

    Carbon dioxide (CO2).
    A minor but very important component of the atmosphere, carbon dioxide is released through natural processes such as respiration and volcano eruptions and through human activities such as deforestation, land use changes, and burning fossil fuels. Humans have increased atmospheric CO2 concentration by a third since the Industrial Revolution began. This is the most important long-lived "forcing" of climate change. "

There's your 'NASA science'.
 
Maybe you would prefer the words from NASA directly, STUpid.

“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,” explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/

Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event (mini-iceage) right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08jan_sunclimate/

Maybe you should go back to disproving the existence of God. You probably won't learn how wrong you are on that one until you die.
 
typical dumb I mean stu pid leftist move...nothing more annoying than a troll who comes in late and posts off point shit.

I posted links directly to the NASA study as well.




Quote from stu:

"Principia Scientific" linked in the OP are hard core climate deniers who wrote the book "Slaying the Dragon".

They have nothing to do with science, except in trying to fuck about with it. Indulging in fact twisting re-interpretations, utterly misrepresenting the NASA report which was to do with upper atmospheric reflection of solar energy. Not the reflection of an entirely different energy type by the lower atmosphere, which does not act exactly the same, re-radiating energy into space AND reflecting it back to Earth.

As a matter of fact NASA couldn’t be more clear in their reports…..
  • "Most climate scientists agree the main cause of the current global warming trend is human expansion of the 'greenhouse effect'.

    Carbon dioxide (CO2).
    A minor but very important component of the atmosphere, carbon dioxide is released through natural processes such as respiration and volcano eruptions and through human activities such as deforestation, land use changes, and burning fossil fuels. Humans have increased atmospheric CO2 concentration by a third since the Industrial Revolution began. This is the most important long-lived "forcing" of climate change. "

There's your 'NASA science'.
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