New Coronavirus Variant (Omicron; B.1.1529) a ‘Serious Concern’ in South Africa

gwb-trading said:
You are just continuously spewing anti-vax Covid-denier terminology and misinformation. Let's take a look at your recent regurgitation of misinformation.
  • '"Experts" were still pushing the lie that the vaccinated could not be infected' WRONG - Experts stated from the beginning that there would be vaccinated breakthrough cases. Covid vaccines are seeing a mere 0.5% vaccinated breakthrough rate in an environment with high prevalence of the disease. For a comparisn the measles and mumps vaccines have a vaccinated breakthrough rate of over 3% in populations where the disease is highly prevalent. Covid vaccinations do serve to stop transmission and infections -- which means the unvaccinated are a greater threat for getting infected (seeing that over 90% of the cases are unvaccinated and thus transmitting the disease.
  • "The biggest source of dangerous variants are the high risk whose natural immune systems can not clear the virus giving the virus time to incubate and mutate." NO - The greatest risk are the unvaccinated who account for over 90% of the cases and hospitalizations (severe cases). As noted by experts nearly all the new variants are generated in the unvaccinated -- only a minuscule number of variants are generated in vaccinated people who are immune compromised. Your claim is not supported in any manner with data or science regarding Covid when comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated population in regards to variant generation.
  • "ADE" -- Oh, you are pushing anti-vaxxer ADE nonsense. It is laughable. ADE is not a problem with Covid vaccines -- this ADE crap is typical misinformation pushed by anti-vaxxers. At this point it serves as a marker to identify people who are pushing complete bullshiat in their Covid commentary. Congrats you are a winner.
  • "Neutralizing antibodies" -- yet another anti-vaxxer buzzword being pushed as misinformation linked to "natural immunity" these days. Congrats on winning again for pushing buzzwords of anti-vaxxers -- which merely serves to identify you are pushing the stuff that comes out of a bull.
  • "Natural immunity to Omicron" -- Yeah, when all the initial data shows that re-infections are very high with Omicron you are pushing "natural immunity". And yes, as all the press from South Africa has stated over 90% of the hospitalized are unvaccinated with Omicron (similar to other variants). Your claim that "how do you know that these cases are Omicron" is pure misinformation when those regions of South Africa are showing nearly 100% of the cases in the area are Omicron.
In summary -- for over a year we have debunked most of the nonsense you are pushing with proper studies, science and data. Yet -- here you are spewing all this nonsense again. Go back and read the previous posts to educate yourself on reality.
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Do you post anything which is not anti science or anti data?

Regarding Breakthrough cases... you just lied. Nobody with any integrity would pretend that we only have .5% breakthrough rate now. Posting a study from July looking at results before the antibodies in the vaccinated waned is part of the reason there is slow uptake on the vaccines.

Everybody knows plenty of vaccinated people who had breaththrough infections. So when you or the CDC misrepresents reality you are no longer a trustworthy person or source.


Thankfully most of the vaccinated did not have serious cases. But your lies are part of the problem.


Regarding ADE

It is a lie and anti science to claim that ADE is not a risk.
If you were to state we have not seen ADE yet, that could be accurate.

To deny the risk of ADE for new mutations or new vaccines is to deny
decades of research into vaccines and viruses like SARS.
 
exlib said:
Do you post anything which is not anti science or anti data?

Regarding Breakthrough cases... you just lied. Nobody with any integrity would pretend that we only have .5% breakthrough rate now. Posting a study from July looking at results before the antibodies in the vaccinated waned is part of the reason there is slow uptake on the vaccines.

Everybody knows plenty of vaccinated people who had breaththrough infections. So when you or the CDC misrepresents reality you are no longer a trustworthy person or source.


Thankfully most of the vaccinated did not have serious cases. But your lies are part of the problem.


Regarding ADE

It is a lie and anti science to claim that ADE is not a risk.
If you were to state we have not seen ADE yet, that could be accurate.

To deny the risk of ADE for new mutations or new vaccines is to deny
decades of research into vaccines and viruses like SARS.
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So you just post more anti-vax talking points including more ADE bullshiat.. Go take a look at the KFF vaccinated breakthrough rate by state or the CDC data on vaccinated breakthrough rate.

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Why would I do that?

The Isreali data is a very strong argument your argument about .5 percent breakthrough cases is a lie.

If you wish to make a new argument with current data about a new number and how much we can trust it in the context of limited U.S. data, please do.

Our entire country and the world would all benefit from truthful arguments based on the best data we have.




gwb-trading said:
So you just post more anti-vax talking points. Go take a look at the KFF vaccinated breakthrough rate by state or the CDC data on vaccinated breakthrough rate.
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exlib said:
Do you post anything which is not anti science or anti data?

Regarding Breakthrough cases... you just lied. Nobody with any integrity would pretend that we only have .5% breakthrough rate now. Posting a study from July looking at results before the antibodies in the vaccinated waned is part of the reason there is slow uptake on the vaccines.

Everybody knows plenty of vaccinated people who had breaththrough infections. So when you or the CDC misrepresents reality you are no longer a trustworthy person or source.


Thankfully most of the vaccinated did not have serious cases. But your lies are part of the problem.


Regarding ADE

It is a lie and anti science to claim that ADE is not a risk.
If you were to state we have not seen ADE yet, that could be accurate.

To deny the risk of ADE for new mutations or new vaccines is to deny
decades of research into vaccines and viruses like SARS.
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The ADE stuff is something that needs to be monitored on the very rare chance it could happen. However, at this point with all of the vaccinations administered and the contact vaccinated people have had with virus, ADE is not an issue anymore.
 
UsualName said:
The ADE stuff is something that needs to be monitored on the very rare chance it could happen. However, at this point with all of the vaccinations administered and the contact vaccinated people have had with virus, ADE is not an issue anymore.
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ADE and Israel were digital fingerprints debates by jem.

I had a decent conversation with him about both in a reply and he then left the topics alone...didn't debate about them again. In fact, I think he understood the science much better and actually agreed on them but then I realized it really wasn't an issue with him...he was just being argumentative about the two topics.

wrbtrader
 
exlib said:
Why would I do that?

The Isreali data is a very strong argument your argument about .5 percent breakthrough cases is a lie.

If you wish to make a new argument with current data about a new number and how much we can trust it in the context of limited U.S. data, please do.

Our entire country and the world would all benefit from truthful arguments based on the best data we have.
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So you cite an article showing that on a single day (August 11th) that 250 patients out of 4505 were vaccinated. Maybe you need to study up on Simpsons paradox and some other basic mathematical concepts,

Tell us what percentage of the total vaccinated people in Israel have breakthrough cases. The data available on the Israeli health dashboard shows this is under 0.5%.
 
wrbtrader said:
ADE and Israel were digital fingerprints debates by jem.

I had a decent conversation with him about both in a reply and he then left the topics...didn't debate about them again.

wrbtrader
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Yes... pretty sure this is just jem's latest alias. It's the same pile of complete bullshiat being shovelled again.
 
exlib said:
Our entire country and the world would all benefit from truthful arguments based on the best data we have.
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LOL. Good one!

Unless the "right people" get paid (including "10 for the big guy") nothing like that is going to happen.
 
exlib said:
Why would I do that?

The Isreali data is a very strong argument your argument about .5 percent breakthrough cases is a lie.

If you wish to make a new argument with current data about a new number and how much we can trust it in the context of limited U.S. data, please do.

Our entire country and the world would all benefit from truthful arguments based on the best data we have.
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You won't do that -- because the Israeli data as a whole shows the vaccinated breakthrough rate is below 0.5%.

The best you can do is cite an article showing that on a single day that 250 out of 405 severe cases (over 50%) were vaccinated. This has nearly nothing to do with vaccinated breakthrough rate. Maybe you should get a better understanding of base rate fallacy.
 
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