Never in a million years could have seen this coming.

Db has trouble coping when his liberal fantasies are shattered by hard facts. This reminds me of the other thread where he was pompously lecturing a black man about life in the black community.

The one constant is that nothing can be expected from anyone in a "victim" class. Liberals have a dictionary of put downs for you if you do. You're "blaming the vicitm", or tweeting Chris Matthews tiresome "racist dog whistle", or you lack "compassion" or perhaps "empathy". Then there's the new one, you're talking from "white privilege." How dare you!

We're not asking that welfare leeches work three jobs or get masters degrees. It would be nice if they at least tried to get jobs, kept their weight under 300 pounds, didn't have four kids with five different men, none of whom contribute a dime of support, didn't commit crimes and took minimal care of the taxpayer provided housing they live in. But no, that's asking WAY TOO MUCH. And all this talk about there being no jobs. How about they are required to put in some community service on city cleanup crews? Most urban landscapes can use some cleanup, grass and weed cutting, trash pickup, etc. Oprah can get by without you for a couple of days.

Liberals would probably call that modern slavery. They don't mind forcing high school kids to "volunteer" but not welfare recipients. No sir, that's out of the question.

And themain thing is, we don't want to stigmatize any 14 year old who is pregnant. If we did, her friends might take note and not get pregnant themselves. Anyway, everything is working out great, so why should we change anything? Just send more money.

What a worldview you have.
 
Kristen Bell's Mary Poppins Takes On Minimum Wage With A Spoonful Of Sugar

You'd think that a nanny with magical powers would merit more than $7.25 an hour, but apparently not in this economy.

Kristen Bell stars as a struggling Mary Poppins in Funny or Die's latest video, unable to make ends meet with her minimum wage earnings. As her tape measure assures, she's practically perfect in every way -- and grossly underpaid.

"Just a three dollar increase can make a living wage," she sings, accompanied by impoverished Disney animals. "I don't get these birds for free." more . . .
 
As a conservative, it pains me to say I now support some form of government oversight of compensation. Clearly we have a severely broken system of corporate governance that allows these obscene comp packages to become the norm.

I propose that total executive compensation be limited to 100 times the average annual salary of the lowest 10 percentile of employees. So if your lowest 10 percent average $40k, the max comp would be $4 mill, which strikes me as more than adequate. What about providing the necessary motivation for the future Jack Welches to roll out of bed in the morning and come to work? How about they spend their own frickin' money to buy stock in their companies? Little skin in the game never hurt anyone's motivation.

Unfortunately, this would be treating the symptom, not the root of the problem. Which is achieving "scalability" of their compensation packages through nonsensical mergers and acquisitions. The solution is to punish the "bigger is better" mentality by implementing "smaller is better" - forcing companies to split into independent units once they reach $5-10B in worldwide revenue. And wielding a big stick in the form of a 25% tax on all worldwide revenue if the violate the limit.

Stock options should be banned altogether. They are too susceptible to abuse, plus they offload a corporate expense, compensation, onto the shareholders.

Agreed.
 
side thought on a Saturday.....

the welfare people who abuse the system and the CEOs who abuse the system, the union workers who sleep and get away with it, the entrepreneur who structures themselves to avoid tax are one and the same type of people.
They are all gaming the system as it is presented to them based on their skill sets.

The funny thing is that people then side with one set of people over the other and decide to do it based on if they want to back the 'winner' or because they have sympathy for those less fortunate - then everyone gets lumped together and the naming and pigeon holing of 'lib tard, right wing nazi, etc; etc occur and detract from the real issues.

not all CEOs are crony, crooks and selfish ass holes, just as many who are trapped in a cycle of poverty or poor education etc; have the skills (or the time - as poverty can be trap) to escape it.

If you change the system people will still game it, people will still fall through the cracks, some people will do fabulously well. .....and while a lot has to do with self responsibility, those who advocate it as the sole element have zero idea about what it is to live in a society.....much like idiots who expect everything will be paid for somehow.....rights and responsibilities and obligations go together. You cant blame it all on one thing and then pick a side unless you are so single minded (not open or closed minded) you bitch and moan when your chosen side ends up with consequences you might not have expected - which is why compromised solutions (and not one size fits all) are often what works best.
Humans are masters are deflecting responsibilities, rewriting memories, justifications and excuses.

a bit like when a successful person says it was hard work that got them the success they deserve --- pleeeese. Thats just like saying 'I dont know why I was successful' because plenty of people work hard and fail and plenty of people probably worked hard for that other persons success)

And if you want to engage in some line in sand thought experiment here is one --- cut the western health car costs in half - dont spend money keeping premature babies alive, or those who have reached the end of their 'useful working lives' alive - let nature take its course.....because all of them as simply parasites - right ??

Enjoy the weekend.
 
And if you want to engage in some line in sand thought experiment here is one --- cut the western health car costs in half - dont spend money keeping premature babies alive, or those who have reached the end of their 'useful working lives' alive - let nature take its course.....because all of them as simply parasites - right ??

Enjoy the weekend.

September, 2011:

The candidates seeking the Republican presidential nomination are a pretty scary bunch — remember, one of them stands a reasonably good chance of becoming the leader of the free world in about 17 months — and the two-hour display on CNN last night was a depressing reminder of what’s become of the GOP in the 21st century. That said, maybe it’s just me, but I’m starting to find the audiences for these debates even more disconcerting.

Wolf Blitzer posed a hypothetical scenario to Ron Paul, asking about a young man who makes a good living, but decides to forgo health insurance. Then, tragedy strikes and he needs care. Paul stuck to the libertarian line. “But congressman,” the moderator said, “are you saying that society should just let him die?”

And at that point, some in the audience shouted, “Yeah,” and applauded.
 
is that when ideology becomes dogma?

Reminds me of the sweet little grannies sitting behind the goal posts knitting beanies and scarfs in the team colours.....until the opposition gets too close and they want to rip off their head and the foul language is fantastic......then back home to bake some cookies for the grandkids. :)
 
is that when ideology becomes dogma?

Reminds me of the sweet little grannies sitting behind the goal posts knitting beanies and scarfs in the team colours.....until the opposition gets too close and they want to rip off their head and the foul language is fantastic......then back home to bake some cookies for the grandkids. :)

One wonders -- if one thinks about it at all -- how much of this is learned and how much is wired in. When I was growing up and for most of my adulthood, I assumed it was learned. But given the advances in neurology and brain chemistry in recent years, I can't help but wonder if that's all there is to it. The aggressiveness of bigots along with their insistence that they're not bigoted at all leads me to think that wiring may play a key role. If that's the case, the prospects for change do not appear to be rosy. This makes the future of a federation even less likely.

I found this interesting:

Paul Ryan’s “blame the victim” disease

Because there’s no real way to dispute the fundamental moral bankruptcy of neoliberalism without it, the rhetorical trick of blaming the victim is never too far from the surface of American society, regardless of the subject. In pop culture, we hear it when ESPN blowhards indict women for their partners’ violence. In foreign policy, we see it when Wall Street Journal Op-Eds blame Palestinian children for the IDF’s bombs. And in the realm of domestic policy, the blame-the-victim logic is so widespread that I struggle to think of even one major political debate in which it isn’t being pushed by Republicans or Democrats. Often, it’s both. more . . .
 
This is scourge on our society. Fully 20% of our budget is spent on these needy leeches. We spend more on it then China, Russia, UK, France, Japan, India, Germany and the other top six nations combined. It diverts resources that could be spent for more constructive and beneficial purposes.
 
This is scourge on our society. Fully 20% of our budget is spent on these needy leeches. We spend more on it then China, Russia, UK, France, Japan, India, Germany and the other top six nations combined. It diverts resources that could be spent for more constructive and beneficial purposes.

It is good to see that FC understands the pigs who feed at the benefits trough devouring Welfare, Section 8, Medicaid, Foodstamps and all the other dole items paid for with the tax dollars of those who work full-time in American society.... are the scourge of our society.

And yes, we spend more on social welfare benefits then China, Russia, UK, France, Japan, India, Germany and the other top six socialist nations combined. It diverts resources that could be spent for more constructive and beneficial purposes.
 
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