Neanderthals vs. "Science"

jem said:
1. So you have nothing to support you assertion masks work which considers the recent data.

That article was a year old piece.
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Glad you asked. I don't have any recent data re masks because I haven't looked. Why not look up recent data for Japan -- Total Number since the advent of the pandemic who have died from covid divided by the population of Japan and compare it to the same recent data from the CDC. Until very recently the U.S. had a much higher vaccination rate then Japan. In spite of that, is the death rate in Japan higher or lower than in the U.S.? Once you find out, explain any big differences to us. -- Must be diet, right. Japanese eat more rice. :D
 
gwb-trading said:
Yes... and freedom day occurred in the U.K when the government believed they reached a necessary vaccination level where cases would drop. Context is important.

If the U.S. had the U.K.'s vaccination level we would be watching cases drop as well.
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Maybe. But masks had nothing to do with it (which was the point of the post - that you missed).
 
piezoe said:
The problem, I would guess, that GWB was referring to is that the charts were from the media and not from the original source. As such, they can be, and very often are, taken out of a broader context. The result can be misleading, even if technically correct.

For example, Bloomberg Printed the following headline: CDC Scaled Back Hunt for Breakthrough Cases Just as the Delta Variant Grew, which is correct in every respect; yet many will interpret this as the CDC is not doing a good job of tracking breakthrough Covid cases. Only by going to the source, i.e., the CDC , can one appreciate why the CDC stopped tracking all positive Covid tests in the doubly vaccinated. The CDC is in fact still tracking all Covid breakthrough cases that result in hospitalization and/or death as reported by the States and U.S. territories. And therefore they have sufficiently accurate, up to date data showing how many breakthrough cases resulted in hospitalization and how many resulted in death that can be compared to the total number of doubly vaccinated -- which they also accurately track.
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No, GWB believes the whole chart is false, but is never able to show why. Thanks for showing up in the 9th inning and pretending to have seen the game, though.
 
Van_der_Voort_4 said:
Medical insanity, as described by an MD

I have been a physician for 24 years, a practicing ENT for 19 years. I have never before seen the medical establishment just stop thinking. Insanity is the new rule, and common sense cannot even be discussed.

Vaccines? I wouldn't trust anything the president made. That was Kamala Harris back in the fall. Now if you don't get vaccinated, you don't care about other people, and you wanna watch people die. Oh, and by the way, we should vaccinate everyone, including those who previously had COVID, pregnant women, and small children.

What about VAERS? That's the open record report system that the CDC has made almost unnavigable. It's slowly crept up and showed up to 12,000 deaths coincident with the vaccine. Then dropped to 6,000, only to come back up to 10,000 and now back to 12,000. Just a little glitch from our trustworthy government.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/08/medical_insanity_as_described_by_an_md.html
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Like any other religion, this one runs from Science.
 
Look its clown piezoe again.
Poor piezoe wants to be such a good anti freedom pro govt lefty... like jennifer anniston... any kooky comment for the team.

here is why can't show masks work..

1. Multiple studies have shown they do not protect the wearer.
2. Most of the masks people wear suck at keeping covid in... as they are lose fitting and covid collects on the outside of them.
3. The cherry picked correlation studies showing lowered infection rates and mask usage... after the first wave are now garbage since we have so much data showing second and third waves or more of covid infections during mask mandates...

The same goes for japan even though masks are not compulsory. Didn't one of your articles explain that infection wents went up in Tokyo dramatically after a lockdown was lifted even though they had high mask usage...

yes it did.



piezoe said:
Glad you asked. I don't have any recent data re masks because I haven't looked. Why not look up recent data for Japan -- Total Number since the advent of the pandemic who have died from covid divided by the population of Japan and compare it to the same recent data from the CDC. Until very recently the U.S. had a much higher vaccination rate then Japan. In spite of that, is the death rate in Japan higher or lower than in the U.S.? Once you find out, explain any big differences to us. -- Must be diet, right. Japanese eat more rice. :D
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piezoe said:
The problem, I would guess, that GWB was referring to is that the charts were from the media and not from the original source. As such, they can be, and very often are, taken out of a broader context. The result can be misleading, even if technically correct.

For example, Bloomberg Printed the following headline: CDC Scaled Back Hunt for Breakthrough Cases Just as the Delta Variant Grew, which is correct in every respect; yet many will interpret this as the CDC is not doing a good job of tracking breakthrough Covid cases. Only by going to the source, i.e., the CDC , can one appreciate why the CDC stopped tracking all positive Covid tests in the doubly vaccinated. The CDC is in fact still tracking all Covid breakthrough cases that result in hospitalization and/or death as reported by the States and U.S. territories. And therefore they have sufficiently accurate, up to date data showing how many breakthrough cases resulted in hospitalization and how many resulted in death that can be compared to the total number of doubly vaccinated -- which they also accurately track.
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If it's the FB/twitter plotter I'm thinking (can't see cuz ignore), the problem isn't the numbers, it's the preposterous causation/correlation bullet points put on the trace as if it mean anything. No one's objecting to people using excel, have at it hoss. The objection's to the typical "mask mandate implemented on this date" comment before the spike as if it means fuck all. It's the laziest form of analysis one could make
 
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piezoe said:
Glad you asked. I don't have any recent data re masks because I haven't looked. Why not look up recent data for Japan -- Total Number since the advent of the pandemic who have died from covid divided by the population of Japan and compare it to the same recent data from the CDC. Until very recently the U.S. had a much higher vaccination rate then Japan. In spite of that, is the death rate in Japan higher or lower than in the U.S.? Once you find out, explain any big differences to us. -- Must be diet, right. Japanese eat more rice. :D
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They just showed Lester Holt on NBC evening news wandering around Tokyo outside the Olympic area (after his 14 day quarantine). It looks like everyone was wearing a mask.
 
Tsing Tao said:
in response to one of GWB's posts... most importantly, the CDC itself mentions this regarding US Breakthrough cases, which is very interesting:

The findings in this report are subject to at least two limitations. First, the number of reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases is likely a substantial undercount of all SARS-CoV-2 infections among fully vaccinated persons. The national surveillance system relies on passive and voluntary reporting, and data might not be complete or representative. Many persons with vaccine breakthrough infections, especially those who are asymptomatic or who experience mild illness, might not seek testing. Second, SARS-CoV-2 sequence data are available for only a small proportion of the reported cases.
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These flaws in data collection at the CDC level are likely amplified when trying to collect "aggregate" data and forming conclusions ...Thus, the "conclusions" are almost certainly flawed, and cannot be used in any other than entertainment value.
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Those flaws mentioned in your quote from the CDC have to do with reasons why the CDC found it no longer productive to try and track all Breakthrough cases. They do track covid hospitalizations and deaths accurately assuming the hospitals in the States and Territories are doing a conscientious job of reporting. What this data shows is that the vaccines are amazingly effective in preventing deaths and hospitalizations from covid. Almost all the deaths and hospitalizations from covid are in the unvaccinated! New Orlean's Children's Hospital is full of pediatric Covid cases, many in the ICU. Very tragic situation as these kids were not eligible for vaccination.

from a local news channel in New Orleans...[ Fox, I think]

Children make up more than 2,000 of the new COVID-19 cases reported in Louisiana
Governor Edwards imposes indoor mask mandate for everyone
...“There were people who said children don’t get the disease, they can’t transmit the disease, we knew that those were fallacies all along but particularly now that the Delta variant has emerged it has become very clear that children are being heavily impacted by this organism, and by this pandemic at this point, perhaps more than ever before,” said Kline.
 
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