My Biggest Loss Ever and the Lessons I Learned

I received below e-mail from Andrew Aziz of Bear Bull Traders. For context, the guy is very consistent and rarely has losses (from my observation)

Interestingly enough I had a very similar experience on this day and I think Andrew's self-assessment maybe missing something very important.

---- my trade ----
AAPL went up around 7% the prior day in anticipation of iPhone 5G event. I had caught good chunk of that run and decided to hold 1/2 position overnight. AAPL was nicely up about 1.5% pre-market. Sweet. But closer to the open, it started dumping. Ah, I knew exactly what "they" were doing. Trying to steal the shares from me with the opening dump right before the announcement! No way! Not from this guy! Perfect opportunity to get back to full position. Well, of course I added and added until I got stopped out for break even. I had a long bias and I refused to accept the reality. The lessons for me :
1) Have awareness that the bias exists.
2) Identify ahead of time condition(s) that would invalidate the bias.

----------------- Andrew's trade ------------------------

Dear BBT Family,

As many of you saw today live in the chatroom, I had my biggest loss of my trading career: a $38,000 loss on Apple, right at the open. The loss was so bad that I had to leave the chat, so I could evaluate what happened. Social media is full of traders posting big wins and bigger losses, so this is nothing new. I decided to write this email though to share with you what happened and what lessons I have learned from this experience.

I am used to having losses left and right in the open session, which is the most volatile time of the day. However, this loss was significant not just because of the dollar value, but because I had no plan for it. It was not part of my TradeBook. I had no edge on that trade and I thought it "should" work. If it did not work, well, I had no plan for it. As Mike Tyson has said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Now, imagine me (or you) getting a huge punch in the mouth, without a plan.

On October 13, 2020, Apple had a big run. It was up over 7% as investors were speculating about Apple's "event" and the release of its new iPhone and services. I held 500 Apple shares overnight as a swing trade. In the pre-market, Apple gapped up around 1.5% and I was therefore already up.
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I thought the move up was going to go higher and I decided to load up even more in the pre-market, believing that Apple would rip higher at the open. By 8:40am it was trading just above VWAP and it was a perfect setup for my TradeBook 1-minute or 5-minute Opening Range Breakout. At around 8:42am Apple lost the VWAP in the pre-market, someone dropped around 300,000 shares and until the open, Apple was being traded below VWAP. I knew I should get out and I had absolutely no place being long while a stock is being traded below VWAP in the pre-market. I did not! The TradeBook for 1-minute or 5-minute ORB ups was not there. I did not exit, and I held onto my position at the open and even added more to it; another deadly sin that I myself tell people not to do. At 9:30am it sold off heavily (as one could expect) and it turned out to be a very nice 1-minute ORB down, instead of up.

I eventually exited my big position at $124.60 with a massive loss. What did I learn?

  1. I have no TradeBook in pre-market trading. I was gambling and really hoping Apple stayed above VWAP and made a nice 1-minute ORB up.
  2. When it lost the VWAP at 8:42am, I should have exited before the Open. I was hoping it could claim the VWAP and go higher. It did not.
  3. If I was exiting the trade before the Open, I could have taken a 1-minute ORB down on it, but since I was in there long, frozen like a deer in the headlights, I could not.
  4. If I had not been in a psychological mess over that loss, I could have taken a reversal trade like Brian did around 9:53am. I just couldn’t though.
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Trading is a game against yourself. Who should I blame? No one, except myself. I had no plan, no edge, and no TradeBook. I have absolutely no excuses. Is the market crazy? Is trading impossible? Not at all, it is me who must take responsibility for my actions. Blaming others and the market is just an excuse.

Why did I do it? From time to time, we all get away with these kinds of mindless gambles and then we get excited as we try to repeat them. More often than not we can, but that one time that we get a slap in the face from the market, it may very well not be that easy to recover from. For me, that loss was only around 3% of my account, but it hurt, and it shook my confidence. It was also of course embarrassing.

wow, thank you for sharing this. I think it takes a lot of courage to post a trade like this. Personally, I would share it with a friend but I would not post it on this board! LOL. So, thank you for your courage.

I think most of us have experienced our own version of a trade like this. It’s a horrifying experience! The learning that you came to is hugely important and valuable and a lot of people could learn from this if they paid attention to it.

It kind of mirrors what I say A lot which is you can’t trade without a plan and you have to stick with the plan. Period. All else is gambling. Having an edge, thinking the markets going to go in a certain way, hoping,… None of it works in the long run. But you guys know that.

I think this is what I was sayIng in my last article about trading as a mirror. Our interaction with the market is a place to look at ourselves and what’s going on with us. The market is 100% neutral. The way that we read it and what we see In it Is all about us. So the hardest work as a trader is not learning charts and techniques, it’s learning about ourselves and what has us act in these crazy ways.

And then, what is going on inside of ourselves, that needs to be looked at or changed or given some awareness To, so that we clean it up And stop acting that way. My 2 cents.
 
It reads more like a Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinskyesque apology in order to garner empathy and receive forgiveness from voters/subscribing members who also lost big sheeping his trade, and thus not diminish his subscription base.

Classic Psychopathic manipulative behavior.
 
He is a total newb. The solution is very simple know exactly how much you willing to lose on any trade. Then any loss is just cost of doing business and no emotions should be involved. Our algos risk certain percent of overall AUM on any given trade. It is really this simple.

The hardest thing in this business is having an edge, aka statistically significant positive expectancy. The rest is easy.
 
Morning qlai,

Thanks for the share.

I personally do not see anything wrong with the trade the trader took. It was a good trade.

I think the trader did a good job managing the trade and entering the trade.

He took a trade long at the bottom of a range, betting on a reversal and average down when price went lower.

Then he stopped out for a loss. Very good trade.

I am learning in my own trading to stop getting upset when I take a loss and prepare for the next trade and believe in myself. I just took a loss on ES for $125. Price came right to my profit target, and reversed. I had to get out. Now I am long on the breakout, hopefully I make some money.

Thanks,

Two takeaways here. He was trading against the trend. Candlesticks all red, you have a tsunami of traders selling out and you get in long? Also, he doubled down on a losing position? Again, trend was still down and still added more? Whether you are day trading, swing trading or position trading, you have to respect the trend for your timeframe. You will "never" win trading against the trend.
 
Two takeaways here. He was trading against the trend. Candlesticks all red, you have a tsunami of traders selling out and you get in long? Also, he doubled down on a losing position? Again, trend was still down and still added more? Whether you are day trading, swing trading or position trading, you have to respect the trend for your timeframe. You will "never" win trading against the trend.
Hello smallfill,

That is a bold statement "never" you made. Perhaps, the trader is a counter trend trader and only take counter trend trades. Not everyone wants to trade with trend. I take counter trend trades all the time, some with trend. No big deal.

I think the trade was an awesome trade he took. It is his money and his style of trading. He exit the position and took a loss. What is the problem with this? We must all be responsible and accountable for our own trading, even if we made a mistake. I made mistake yesterday that cost me $100 on the ES. I realized it and exited. The other day , I made another mistake cost me about $80 in crude oil. I realized the mistake, and exit and enter in my journal what I did wrong. i probably make about 2 mistake a week. It is what it is.

He took at $35K loss on a trade. He will learn from it. I remember one time I lost about $980 on one ES trade being stubborn and mad. I learned from it and moved on.

Not a big deal to me, I guess cause I stop caring about a mistakes and losses.
 
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Hello smallfill,

That is a bold statement "never" you made. Perhaps, the trader is a counter trend trader and only take counter trend trades. Not everyone wants to trade with trend. I take counter trend trades all the time, some with trend. No big deal.

I think the trade was an awesome trade he took. It is his money and his style of trading. He exit the position and took a loss. What is the problem with this? We must all be responsible and accountable for our own trading, even if we made a mistake. I made mistake yesterday that cost me $100 on the ES. I realized it and exited. The other day , I made another mistake cost me about $80 in crude oil. I realized the mistake, and exit and enter in my journal what I did wrong. i probably make about 2 mistake a week. It is what it is.

He took at $35K loss on a trade. He will learn from it. I remember one time I lost about $980 on one ES trade being stubborn and mad. I learned from it and moved on.

Not a big deal to me, I guess cause I stop caring about a mistakes and losses.


This is the thing. If you want to be a better trader, you must have a trading journal to review past trades. A spreadsheet is fine for this purpose. You can note the setups you used. Mistakes you made. Good things you did. What for? After a while you see a pattern of your most common mistakes as a trader. If you minimize your mistakes, wouldn't you become a better trader as a result of it? And if you become a better trader and make more monies, is that such a bad thing? You are right. It is his monies to lose as he wishes. I am not here to dissuade you from doing what you are doing but, are you trading just for fun or to make a living out of it? Stock trading is a serious business which must be taken seriously, if one is to be successful at it. Just my 2 cents.
 
This is the thing. If you want to be a better trader, you must have a trading journal to review past trades. A spreadsheet is fine for this purpose. You can note the setups you used. Mistakes you made. Good things you did. What for? After a while you see a pattern of your most common mistakes as a trader. If you minimize your mistakes, wouldn't you become a better trader as a result of it? And if you become a better trader and make more monies, is that such a bad thing? You are right. It is his monies to lose as he wishes. I am not here to dissuade you from doing what you are doing but, are you trading just for fun or to make a living out of it? Stock trading is a serious business which must be taken seriously, if one is to be successful at it. Just my 2 cents.
smallfil,

I trade to make money and have fun.

Mistakes happen man. I have limited my mistakes over time by tracking and reviewing the trades. Now I see certain things on the chart I do not like, I want trade it. Like those strong damn trend pull backs, I stay clear of it until I see more evidence. I use to always lose on those damn strong pull backs hoping for one more push down. Not any more. I get in on the first time or I don't get in at all.

For this trader, I would be twice as mad about not entering short on the breakout bear bar.
 
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