My Biggest Loss Ever and the Lessons I Learned

He is a total newb. The solution is very simple know exactly how much you willing to lose on any trade. Then any loss is just cost of doing business and no emotions should be involved. Our algos risk certain percent of overall AUM on any given trade. It is really this simple.

The hardest thing in this business is having an edge, aka statistically significant positive expectancy. The rest is easy.
Exactly, I know my possible loss before the trade, so no big deal.

Yes that is the hardest for real. Knowing when to exit trades is my biggest challenge
 
Hello smallfill,

That is a bold statement "never" you made. Perhaps, the trader is a counter trend trader and only take counter trend trades. Not everyone wants to trade with trend. I take counter trend trades all the time, some with trend. No big deal.

I think the trade was an awesome trade he took. It is his money and his style of trading. He exit the position and took a loss. What is the problem with this? We must all be responsible and accountable for our own trading, even if we made a mistake. I made mistake yesterday that cost me $100 on the ES. I realized it and exited. The other day , I made another mistake cost me about $80 in crude oil. I realized the mistake, and exit and enter in my journal what I did wrong. i probably make about 2 mistake a week. It is what it is.

He took at $35K loss on a trade. He will learn from it. I remember one time I lost about $980 on one ES trade being stubborn and mad. I learned from it and moved on.

Not a big deal to me, I guess cause I stop caring about a mistakes and losses.

SimpleMeLike,

Agree with you 100% on there being no right or wrong style of trading, Trend or RTM. Ultimately the only thing that matters is P&L.

But there is a big difference in being a Vendor of hopes and dreams trading 1 minute breakouts and trying to entertain the members and a humble trader. I think your ability to learn from a losing trade is infinitely greater than Andrews who has tens of thousands of dollars flowing in each month to gamble with.

Come on, a 1 minute ORB (Opening Range Breakout) where $38K was gambled and lost because of a feeling? Why? That shit can be tested with numerous target and stop combinations to see if there is a positive expectancy - edge.

Here is my "feeling", I'd believe you a thousand times over the confession of a vendor gambling monthly member's funny money. Gambling membership money in a bull market is not an edge. Confessions of such a vendor is just marketing damage control.

Godspeed to your profits

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SimpleMeLike,

Agree with you 100% on there being no right or wrong style of trading, Trend or RTM. Ultimately the only thing that matters is P&L.

But there is a big difference in being a Vendor of hopes and dreams trading 1 minute breakouts and trying to entertain the members and a humble trader. I think your ability to learn from a losing trade is infinitely greater than Andrews who has tens of thousands of dollars flowing in each month to gamble with.

Come on, a 1 minute ORB (Opening Range Breakout) where $38K was gambled and lost because of a feeling? Why? That shit can be tested with numerous target and stop combinations to see if there is a positive expectancy - edge.

Here is my "feeling", I'd believe you a thousand times over the confession of a vendor gambling monthly member's funny money. Gambling membership money in a bull market is not an edge. Confessions of such a vendor is just marketing damage control.

Godspeed to your profits

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LMAO hahah I agree They.

Here is a true story.

They, you and I already know whats going with this story here. I use to be in a similar paid chat room when I first start trading. Man, that teacher in that chat room, had me sooooo messed up, I was scared to take short trades for about 6 months trading the ES. Trying to catch the falling knife, to get the big RR, and then brag about the big big winner. One day, a FOMC day, I tried to follow him catching the strong bear move down. That ES kept on going down and we kept on trying to buy. I think I lost about $2000 that day. The guy was saying the same thing this teacher is saying about the worst day ever. The really really sad part, was on that day I had a college buddy join the room too who was new to trading. He never traded before, maybe a few times. He took those trades too, and he lost about $6000 because he refuse to sell and held the trade for about 2 days.

I thought about that $2000 lost all weekend. I came to conclusion, there is noway this trading where I sit around waiting for price to fall all week, and then just buy, lose, buy again, lose, buy again, lose buy again......and hope I get a big 20 point gain and then feel happy. Logic prevailed. I started asking, why this person no short while the price is falling. I asked why, and the response was "Dummy money, sell when the price is already falling".

That room pushed my trading back by about 1-2 years cause all I knew was "ok catch the ES when its alllll the way down, and buy and hold for the big money"

After joining ET and talk to a few experienced traders, I left that room.

The point I am saying is, people have to be careful who they are paying money to to teach them, cause that learning can push your trading skills back far and cause other damage.
 
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Typical mistake many make in the beginning. SOES bandits is the only public record of a very lucrative strategy been taught to public. They needed humans to execute it back in the day.

In all other cases, no one and I mean no one will ever show anything that has an edge and charge you for it. It is really this simple. Some might show/teach for free for specific reasons, but it is very rare.
 
Typical mistake many make in the beginning. SOES bandits is the only public record of a very lucrative strategy been taught to public. They needed humans to execute it back in the day.

In all other cases, no one and I mean no one will ever show anything that has an edge and charge you for it. It is really this simple. Some might show/teach for free for specific reasons, but it is very rare.
Thank you RedDuke,

I never know about SOES. Nice.

You make good sense and I always like reading your posts. You keep it simple.
 
Apple stock fell 2% and this gentleman took "the biggest loss of his career."

That tells me that this trader's risk-of-ruin is 100%. Not a matter of if, but when he blows up his account.
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IF risk or ruin is 95-97%/ quaili may have a fighting chance.
NOT sure I would call a bottom on a 1 minute chart, actually I would not;
but 50 day moving average uptrend still looks fine.
One young trader asked ''WHY does the market always reverse when I get in??''
Another elite trader said ''STOP trading to big.''
Funny but great quote.:caution::caution::caution::caution::caution::caution::caution:
 
wow, thank you for sharing this. I think it takes a lot of courage to post a trade like this. Personally, I would share it with a friend but I would not post it on this board! LOL. So, thank you for your courage.

I think most of us have experienced our own version of a trade like this. It’s a horrifying experience! The learning that you came to is hugely important and valuable and a lot of people could learn from this if they paid attention to it.

It kind of mirrors what I say A lot which is you can’t trade without a plan and you have to stick with the plan. Period. All else is gambling. Having an edge, thinking the markets going to go in a certain way, hoping,… None of it works in the long run. But you guys know that.

I think this is what I was sayIng in my last article about trading as a mirror. Our interaction with the market is a place to look at ourselves and what’s going on with us. The market is 100% neutral. The way that we read it and what we see In it Is all about us. So the hardest work as a trader is not learning charts and techniques, it’s learning about ourselves and what has us act in these crazy ways.

And then, what is going on inside of ourselves, that needs to be looked at or changed or given some awareness To, so that we clean it up And stop acting that way. My 2 cents.
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I see what you mean;
I would not define a long bias with a 1 minute chart.
but 50 dma trend still looks good......................................................................................half hour to close/still going up.SQQQ had a good run early today.Thanks
 
Amazing that a gambler like this actually has paying subscribers!

No exit plan - piling onto a loser, it does not get any more novice than that. He claims he lost only 3% of his capital, if that was true he should not have gotten mentally wrecked from it.
 
Wow, looks like nobody here has bad days! Glad to be in the company of super traders.

qlai,

I have had plenty plenty of bad days of losing money. For example, Was on nearly a 9 day winning streak, then blew it on one day overtrading. But it was my fault for not following my stop trading rules.

Just have to keep on going and now I am back on winning streak. Trying to get better at holding my trades and managing the trade, instead of scalping out.

Crude Oil in June and July was brutal and got my ass tore up. I start changing the method, then now realizing, I was just going through drawdown.

Like I said before, I think the trader did a awesome job. He just had a losing day for trading stupid not following his own rules. Not a big deal to me.

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