A HUGE difference. Right wingers aren't going to persecute and threaten to chop heads off of people like the muslims do. Regardless of the media influence to the leftists, the fact remains that right wingers have nothing in common w/ terrorists. Repeatedly trying to associate republicans w/ terrorists does not work with rational thinking individuals. A new argument must be made.
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Muslims are enraged!!
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FredBloggs
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Quote from Pabst:
Fred, My 'hood in Chicago like a few cities in the States has a large Islamic population. Like London. Multi-cultural. And yes on the most part they're good people. However most Muslims who emigrate to the U.K. or America are pre-disposed to accepting Western values and culture. Therefore the Muslim guy who owns the bodega on the corner in Brooklyn is not a statistically varied sample of global Islamic tolerance of the West. Just like I have a friend who lives in a Chicago suburb that's home to many millionaire black athletes. I was once bitching about how much crime blacks commit in Chicago's urban core and he replied with a straight face, "well I've got some black neighbors and they don't cause any trouble."
fair points.
there are some loonies over here though - just like their are loonies and retards from EVERY religion.
thing is, if we grew up in a country and society with values and beliefs very different from our own, we could well be like them too. however, i dont think every muslim, raghead, sand nigger, call them what you will is some vial evil retard like so many here believe. i am sure half of iraq for eg, hated saddam as well as bush.
jefferson once stated that all men are equal. its a fundamental value of the american consititution - shame how america has forgotten this. (mind you, jefferson also kept slaves, so guess he didnt believe his own rap either)
I suspect that the premise of this thread is flawed.
The fanatics on the street are not demonstrating because they are muslims.
They are demonstarting because they are fanatics.
Muslim men do not cover their faces to hide from the cameras.
If muslims were demonstarting, they would do so with pride.
No, these people do not represent the muslims.
They are just hoodlums who seem to have acquired a critical mass and are attempting to create mayhem with some threatening behaviour.
While one or two genuine muslims have stood against this gangsterism, they are very very few in number.
Too few, in my opinion.
No good will come from appeasement. It simply fuels the fire.
If protestant northern europe stands for anything, it stands for fee speech.
If the politicians are afraid to make this point, then you must acquire new politicians who are prepared to stand on such principles.
The fanatics on the street are not demonstrating because they are muslims.
They are demonstarting because they are fanatics.
Muslim men do not cover their faces to hide from the cameras.
If muslims were demonstarting, they would do so with pride.
No, these people do not represent the muslims.
They are just hoodlums who seem to have acquired a critical mass and are attempting to create mayhem with some threatening behaviour.
While one or two genuine muslims have stood against this gangsterism, they are very very few in number.
Too few, in my opinion.
No good will come from appeasement. It simply fuels the fire.
If protestant northern europe stands for anything, it stands for fee speech.
If the politicians are afraid to make this point, then you must acquire new politicians who are prepared to stand on such principles.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...afp/europeislammediajordanarrest_060204143615
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060204/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings
One of the reasons the Danish paper asked cartoonists to make the pics was because they observed media self-sensorship re these muslim peculiarities.
In fact then, there has been appeasement all along, on the prime front that can make a difference, the press. At one point, a small Danish newspapaper decided it was tired of living in fear. These Danes represent all of us who are tired of living with death threats coming from dead prophets. Those of us who are condemning the Danes demonstrate a high tide of hypocrisy, while the enraged muslims demonstrate a high tide of dishonesty. Both sides, those threatening, and those being threatened are dishonest with us and themselves.
Many of us secretly cheer the Danes, while lip servicing the radicals. Despite appearances, the Danish actions are change for the better from the status quo stalemate. This is true morality, and kudos to them. Do we think that when old, useless structures are challenged that there won't be a backlash? Then we are just kidding ourselves. If we are not ready for even this, we cannot be ready for the next positive steps.
Cartoons are ultimately non-violent forms of protest. Cannot the proud Arabs think of a few cartoons of their own with which to respond? To accept this violence through appeasment will only cater to the inherent dishonesty about it, and delay the necessary change in human consciousness we will need to move foreward and survive on this planet.
This whole business of taking offense, percieving insult...IS the problem...not the cartoons. This is the consiousness that needs to change to move foreward.
JohnnyK
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060204/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings
One of the reasons the Danish paper asked cartoonists to make the pics was because they observed media self-sensorship re these muslim peculiarities.
In fact then, there has been appeasement all along, on the prime front that can make a difference, the press. At one point, a small Danish newspapaper decided it was tired of living in fear. These Danes represent all of us who are tired of living with death threats coming from dead prophets. Those of us who are condemning the Danes demonstrate a high tide of hypocrisy, while the enraged muslims demonstrate a high tide of dishonesty. Both sides, those threatening, and those being threatened are dishonest with us and themselves.
Many of us secretly cheer the Danes, while lip servicing the radicals. Despite appearances, the Danish actions are change for the better from the status quo stalemate. This is true morality, and kudos to them. Do we think that when old, useless structures are challenged that there won't be a backlash? Then we are just kidding ourselves. If we are not ready for even this, we cannot be ready for the next positive steps.
Cartoons are ultimately non-violent forms of protest. Cannot the proud Arabs think of a few cartoons of their own with which to respond? To accept this violence through appeasment will only cater to the inherent dishonesty about it, and delay the necessary change in human consciousness we will need to move foreward and survive on this planet.
This whole business of taking offense, percieving insult...IS the problem...not the cartoons. This is the consiousness that needs to change to move foreward.
JohnnyK
Quote from dddooo:
Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the White House today as the newly elected president of the United States, two new independent probes of the disputed Florida election contest have confirmed.
The first survey, conducted on behalf of the Washington Post, shows that Mr Gore had a nearly three-to-one majority among 56,000 Florida voters whose November 7 ballot papers were discounted because they contained more than one punched hole.
The research shows that 45,608 of the 56,000 ballot papers (87% of the total) contained votes for Mr Gore, compared with 17,098 containing votes for Mr Bush (33%). In 1,367 cases, voters punched every hole except that for Mr Bush.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/US_election_race/Story/0,2763,430306,00.html
As I said, more people voted for Gore in Florida.
No no no,
A larger consortium of news organizations, including the USA Today, the Miami Herald, Knight Ridder, the Tampa Tribune, and five other newspapers next conducted a full recount of all ballots, including both undervotes and overvotes. According to their results, under stricter standards for vote counting, Bush won, and under looser standards, Gore won.However, a Gore win was impossible without a recount of overvotes, which he did not request.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000
A.C. GRAYLING, philosopher
âFree speech is the fundamental civil liberty. Without it none of the others is possible. I applaud the newspapers in Europe that have shown solidarity with Denmarkâs Jyllands-Posten newspaper by reprinting the cartoons, and regard our own Foreign Secretary as pusillanimous in buckling to the artificially inflated hysteria of those who think that feeling offended gives them a licence to censor other peopleâs freedom to criticise and satirise whomever they wish.â
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2024369,00.html
âFree speech is the fundamental civil liberty. Without it none of the others is possible. I applaud the newspapers in Europe that have shown solidarity with Denmarkâs Jyllands-Posten newspaper by reprinting the cartoons, and regard our own Foreign Secretary as pusillanimous in buckling to the artificially inflated hysteria of those who think that feeling offended gives them a licence to censor other peopleâs freedom to criticise and satirise whomever they wish.â
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2024369,00.html