Muslims are enraged!!

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Yes, this is the mentality with which negotiating is possible. Bin Laden offered a truce, of course we can take him at his word. If we just leave the Muslims alone, they'll leave us alone, blah, blah, blah.
 
Quote from dddooo:

Sorry but that's politically correct garbage, until they [muslims] root out those allegedly few bad apples they are fully responsible for them. And to the best of my knowledge they've done nothing so far to root out Osama, Hamas, Iranian president, suicide bombers, enraged protesters making death threats etc. Silent support is still support and I don't see any active dissent or opposition to violence, fundamentalism and terrorism in muslim societies.

sounding trite doesn't make my prev post false. i'm no expert, nor have i gone out of out of my way to research counter-fundamentalism, but i don't think it's fair to say 'they've' done nothing to root out osama, hamas, iranian pres, bombers or the like. that's simply untrue. muslims fought the taliban, muslims challenge hamas, muslims assist on the pak border, intelligence assets, etc etc ...there are probably innumerable examples of academics etc who don't swim with the tide. and compared to the freedoms of speech, and relative security and gender equality we have in the states, any vocal dissent is incredible under those conditions. seriously, put yourself on the arab street

not sure how you can infer tacit support from information that you don't know, or hasn't reached you. iran is a split country, and i believe there's an overwhelming population of oppressed dissenters. be reasonable... the game of telephone from the arab street through each side's propaganda machine and down to you is a long one

i always felt this president's most dangerous weakness was his binary comprehension of a multivariate situation
 
The Muslim world is used to the moral high ground they expect from the West on a silver platter. It’s like feeding a bear. Once you stop, the bear gets angry and violent.
 
European Elite Scrambles to Defuse Furore Over Caricatures Of Muhammad ...... and the European elites join in. Majority of common Europeans reject islam as wicked and vicious faith.
 
Quote from dddooo:

Sorry but that's politically correct garbage, until they [muslims] root out those allegedly few bad apples they are fully responsible for them. And to the best of my knowledge they've done nothing so far to root out Osama, Hamas, Iranian president, suicide bombers, enraged protesters making death threats etc. Silent support is still support and I don't see any active dissent or opposition to violence, fundamentalism and terrorism in muslim societies.



most muslims are against osama etc. generally muslims are peaceful people.

i know you americans dont want to believe that, but thats life.

if americans are so against terrorists, why did they finance the ira?

hypocrisy speaks again!!
 
Quote from dddooo:

Kind of ironic, muslims are enraged over a 'blasphemous' cartoon of Mohammed, right-wingers are enraged over flag burning and want a constitutional amendment to ban it. What's the difference?

i'll agree with this (must be a first!)
 
Quote from dddooo:

That's exactly what I meant, I was not discussing the legitimacy of Bush's presidency, I was responding to your claims that the Dems can't win an election which is nonsense if more people intend to vote for them 3 times out of 4.

Clinton received 42% in 1992. Without Perot in the mix GHB wins easily.
 
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Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the White House today as the newly elected president of the United States, two new independent probes of the disputed Florida election contest have confirmed.

The first survey, conducted on behalf of the Washington Post, shows that Mr Gore had a nearly three-to-one majority among 56,000 Florida voters whose November 7 ballot papers were discounted because they contained more than one punched hole.

The research shows that 45,608 of the 56,000 ballot papers (87% of the total) contained votes for Mr Gore, compared with 17,098 containing votes for Mr Bush (33%). In 1,367 cases, voters punched every hole except that for Mr Bush.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/US_election_race/Story/0,2763,430306,00.html

As I said, more people voted for Gore in Florida.

You think that people too stupid to punch a damned ballot should have their vote count. If they can't even read enough to mark the ballot they have no right to have a vote counted.
 
Quote from FredBloggs:

most muslims are against osama etc. generally muslims are peaceful people.

i know you americans dont want to believe that, but thats life.

if americans are so against terrorists, why did they finance the ira?

hypocrisy speaks again!!

Fred, My 'hood in Chicago like a few cities in the States has a large Islamic population. Like London. Multi-cultural. And yes on the most part they're good people. However most Muslims who emigrate to the U.K. or America are pre-disposed to accepting Western values and culture. Therefore the Muslim guy who owns the bodega on the corner in Brooklyn is not a statistically varied sample of global Islamic tolerance of the West. Just like I have a friend who lives in a Chicago suburb that's home to many millionaire black athletes. I was once bitching about how much crime blacks commit in Chicago's urban core and he replied with a straight face, "well I've got some black neighbors and they don't cause any trouble."
 
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