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Quote from WDGann:
Also, stop curve-fitting (not optimizing) science to fulfill your ego that you are making some sense out of MM, Gann, and science. YOu're just disgracing the whole Gann-ese by showing immature interpretations of the whole trading style.
Look, the angles work because of the nature of composite cycles. Take any form of composite cycles with common component cycles. Draw a line from a extreme top to extreme bottom. Let's say the slope is 1x1.
Now, re-adjust the component wave anyway to create another pattern of composite cycle. Take the 1x1 slope line and put it on the extreme top. You'll either see that the line will hit a bottom, 50%, or when the line passes the value of extreme bottom, you'll see a top again.
Use excel, make a composite cycle drawlines and see how it works. Make 2x1(1x2) line, make other proportionate lines to see how it goes. You'll find that the lines based on the initial line will perform just like how Gann explains Geometric Angles.
But the market is not simple as a Fourier Cycle. That's why I'm so good with Gann knowing how to relate it...
Ahhhh yes, the composite cycles.
If that is how you like to spend your time WDGann, that's cool. It works, and used to spend a lot of time doing them, until I found something at least as effective, and faster.
I have read a lot of science books, I gave you an explanation. If you do not accept it, I certainly cannot make you.
Have a nice day.
Quote from oddiduro:
Ahhhh yes, the composite cycles.
If that is how you like to spend your time WDGann, that's cool. It works, and used to spend a lot of time doing them, until I found something at least as effective, and faster.
I have read a lot of science books, I gave you an explanation. If you do not accept it, I certainly cannot make you.
Have a nice day.
LOL... you sound just like a paper trader dissing, pretending to be a hot shot trader. If you're a paper trader, someone would ask you to bust out your account statement but let's see you bust something out....
How about a mathematical equation with all your Galileo equivalency...
Added:
I'll be more specific:
I'd like you explain the relationship of composite cycle, Gann's squaring the circle chart(19x19 Master Chart), and Galileo. I'm sure you have Gann's original material and he mentions that 19x19 Squaring the Circle charts are the scientific reasoning of why Geometric Angles and Astrology works and he goes on with once you realize it, he can give you the magic number... blah blah blah...
Let's see you curve fit Galileo with Master Charts...
LOL...
I was searching www trying to find a proof for these numbers, which I did not find. However, I found this article posted 10/08/2000 that says that the guy was down 22% at the end of the third quarter in local stock-picking contest and that was a forth score out of six contestants.
http://www.tennessean.com/sii/00/10/11/00255813.shtml
I am sorry to tell you Mr Gann that I did not go through the phase of paper trading any account, as it is like doing combat excercises with blanks. Live fire and real money tend to focus ones attention much better, so I don't know what this "paper trading" stuff is all about.
At the end of the day, whether they were paper losses and gains, or real losses and gains, it would still prove the point of the efficacy of the system, if the trades are posted AHEAD of time, which I am more than willing to do. That is why they tell folks with limited resources to paper trade in the first place isn't it?
All that other hokum that you speak is just that....
MOF, COE, Jupiter/Saturn synodic activity, composite cycles, all of that is good if that is what you wish to do.
I myself like going from point A to B directly rather than via point J.
But some folks like things hard.
Post your market calls in real time, we can even start a journal and do it daily if intraday is too intense.
All the rhetoric is just that, results are all that really matter, now isn't it?
Quote from oddiduro:
Okay Phd in the theoretical physics, start providing verification, because I do not believe you are a college grad, let alone a PhD!!
that was a pretty lame reponse dude. he nailed you on the physics stuff fair and square.
you're right that results are what counts, but you sure don't say a whole lot for your credibility by resorting to bullshit to 'prove' your point.
btw, surely you know that real time market calls wouldn't really mean much unless done for about a month, and that's assuming you're daytrading.
It is truly AMAZING to me how some people will critcize MM, but they lack the courage to put the system to a real time test in a public forum!
It is like saying that they hate Fords, but they drive Chevys only, and cannot produce ANY dissatified Ford owners.
To you hecklers:
Have the guts to put your methods to the test in REAL TIME. Let MM, or my application of MM fall on it's face in REAL TIME.
A few of you can sure talk the talk, now come out the shadows and WALK THE WALK.
It is like saying that they hate Fords, but they drive Chevys only, and cannot produce ANY dissatified Ford owners.
To you hecklers:
Have the guts to put your methods to the test in REAL TIME. Let MM, or my application of MM fall on it's face in REAL TIME.
A few of you can sure talk the talk, now come out the shadows and WALK THE WALK.
How can you tell a paper trader from a real trader?
A paper trader thinks that paper trading is a worthwhile endeavor, and reflective of how someone will do as a real trader.
Anyone remember how many posts Aphie devoted last year to trading (you don't see him post much on trading any more) and when the rubber met the road with real money he pussed out.
Anyone remember that dude, forget his handle, something like 40 year old trader? He started a journal that went on and on, then when it was time for real trading....oops, the dude vanished.
Here is the evidence that the Oddman is not for real, a theory based paper trader, like a math man who lives in ivory castles but knows nothing about the emotions that come when you have real money in the markets. A quote from him follows
"At the end of the day, whether they were paper losses and gains, or real losses and gains, it would still prove the point of the efficacy of the system, if the trades are posted AHEAD of time, which I am more than willing to do. That is why they tell folks with limited resources to paper trade in the first place isn't it?"
Paper trading proves the efficacy of a system? Bullshit. Paper trading proves nothing. It doesn't test the emotions of a system. Yes, the emotions of a system.
If the systems is so damn good, just program a black box to trade the system, retire and spend your days on the beaches in the South of France.
Real traders know it doesn't work that way.
A system doesn't become real until it is put into practice by a trader. Shit, you can look at Don with his system making money daily, and his rookies who cannot reproduce the results. Why? Because of the emotional baggage a trader brings to the table.
There is theory, then there is proof.
Unless Oddboy is selling something, why would someone who has a system that is making him money, a golden goose, waste their time in this forum trying to prove something? Because he can't prove it to himself with real money, either because he doesn't have any money, or he doesn't have the stomach for trading with real money, so he is left to try and play paper trading games and challenges. What a pussy.
Oddfuck, start a journal in the journal section. Post your trades each and every day. Gain a following there. Paper trade the toilet paper that is stuck to your ass and following you around like a tail.
In the end, who gives a shit, real traders know you are a fake, and nothing but a paper boy.
A paper trader thinks that paper trading is a worthwhile endeavor, and reflective of how someone will do as a real trader.
Anyone remember how many posts Aphie devoted last year to trading (you don't see him post much on trading any more) and when the rubber met the road with real money he pussed out.
Anyone remember that dude, forget his handle, something like 40 year old trader? He started a journal that went on and on, then when it was time for real trading....oops, the dude vanished.
Here is the evidence that the Oddman is not for real, a theory based paper trader, like a math man who lives in ivory castles but knows nothing about the emotions that come when you have real money in the markets. A quote from him follows
"At the end of the day, whether they were paper losses and gains, or real losses and gains, it would still prove the point of the efficacy of the system, if the trades are posted AHEAD of time, which I am more than willing to do. That is why they tell folks with limited resources to paper trade in the first place isn't it?"
Paper trading proves the efficacy of a system? Bullshit. Paper trading proves nothing. It doesn't test the emotions of a system. Yes, the emotions of a system.
If the systems is so damn good, just program a black box to trade the system, retire and spend your days on the beaches in the South of France.
Real traders know it doesn't work that way.
A system doesn't become real until it is put into practice by a trader. Shit, you can look at Don with his system making money daily, and his rookies who cannot reproduce the results. Why? Because of the emotional baggage a trader brings to the table.
There is theory, then there is proof.
Unless Oddboy is selling something, why would someone who has a system that is making him money, a golden goose, waste their time in this forum trying to prove something? Because he can't prove it to himself with real money, either because he doesn't have any money, or he doesn't have the stomach for trading with real money, so he is left to try and play paper trading games and challenges. What a pussy.
Oddfuck, start a journal in the journal section. Post your trades each and every day. Gain a following there. Paper trade the toilet paper that is stuck to your ass and following you around like a tail.
In the end, who gives a shit, real traders know you are a fake, and nothing but a paper boy.