MSO: Halted & Guilty
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I understand what the law is saying but it makes little sense. In fact, it is not illegal to lie to most state and city investigators. The federal law is misguided and I pretty much agree with Pabst's statement below.
Arrogance and attitude here play an important role in the details behind the scenes....whether we think it is fair or not. Nobody should think that they are above the law, just because of their status. well, unless you are a diplomat visiting....ok but this is not the point...they even must follow international laws of conduct and provide apologies when needed.
I will be interested how much Martha apologizes publicly to get a reduced sentence....we shall see.
Michael B.
Arrogance and attitude here play an important role in the details behind the scenes....whether we think it is fair or not. Nobody should think that they are above the law, just because of their status. well, unless you are a diplomat visiting....ok but this is not the point...they even must follow international laws of conduct and provide apologies when needed.
I will be interested how much Martha apologizes publicly to get a reduced sentence....we shall see.
Michael B.
Being arrogant is not a reason to be jailed. If it were we would all be in jail from time to time.
I'm far from a supporter of Martha Stewart. In fact, I have long heard of her belittling people and have had pretty much contempt for her.
However, I really get angry when the government finds some unrelated law to jail and/or take money away from an otherwise innocent person.
Would Martha have sold her shares if Sam Waxel had given her insider information? Probably. Did she trade on insider information? NO. Insider trading is the ONLY possible charge that should have been brought against her if the government were fair. The other charges are total absurdity.
I'm far from a supporter of Martha Stewart. In fact, I have long heard of her belittling people and have had pretty much contempt for her.
However, I really get angry when the government finds some unrelated law to jail and/or take money away from an otherwise innocent person.
Would Martha have sold her shares if Sam Waxel had given her insider information? Probably. Did she trade on insider information? NO. Insider trading is the ONLY possible charge that should have been brought against her if the government were fair. The other charges are total absurdity.
>I understand what the law is saying
>but it makes little sense.
I believe it makes perfect sense to expect the truth in an investigation and to back that expectation up with teeth.
I'm a bit confused as to the logic behind those that feel differently. In the quest for justice, we have the right to SAY NOTHING!!! -- why do we also need the right to mislead at will?
I really don't get it.
JB
>but it makes little sense.
I believe it makes perfect sense to expect the truth in an investigation and to back that expectation up with teeth.
I'm a bit confused as to the logic behind those that feel differently. In the quest for justice, we have the right to SAY NOTHING!!! -- why do we also need the right to mislead at will?
I really don't get it.
JB
But the irony here.....if she had just cooperated she would not be where she is today.....can't you see that?...if you knew the details you would understand.
The investigators have a difficult job to do...and conspiracy is a common charge....It is not an abuse usually. Sure there are exceptions, but not in this case. Ok, she is high profile and if you are going to make an example this is the one to go for...But if she were smart and cooperated...the charges would have been dropped...she got scared and got some bad advice...But, the arrogance and the attitude did not help....
Michael B.
P.S. in our free country we are all entitled to our rights.....some think this more than others.....Now the rebuttal to this will come but please re-read it carefully and see what I am saying.
P.S.S With status comes a bigger responsibility.....so in this sense we are not all equal......ok? I say this because she is responsible for many peoples lives directly and indirectly with her actions. We are a civilization built with a social structure, and in our country, with elected governments right?
The investigators have a difficult job to do...and conspiracy is a common charge....It is not an abuse usually. Sure there are exceptions, but not in this case. Ok, she is high profile and if you are going to make an example this is the one to go for...But if she were smart and cooperated...the charges would have been dropped...she got scared and got some bad advice...But, the arrogance and the attitude did not help....
Michael B.
P.S. in our free country we are all entitled to our rights.....some think this more than others.....Now the rebuttal to this will come but please re-read it carefully and see what I am saying.
P.S.S With status comes a bigger responsibility.....so in this sense we are not all equal......ok? I say this because she is responsible for many peoples lives directly and indirectly with her actions. We are a civilization built with a social structure, and in our country, with elected governments right?
Have you noticed the symbols of our society crumbling....
Superman disabled to Martha's ducks not being in a row....kinda ironic, where we put our security....... LOL
Michael B.
Superman disabled to Martha's ducks not being in a row....kinda ironic, where we put our security....... LOL
Michael B.
This machine built up of individual Human Beings....acting as one...is a difficult conspiracy to contain...I leave these things to harrytrader.
Michael B.
P.S. But this seems natural to build a case to ultimately bring someone to justice. Obviously if this were happening to me, I might feel differently. I would not want to be in Martha's shoes right now.....
P.S.S. Question....If your being investigated and your truly innocent...even if your being singled out....what would you place your faith in?
Michael B.
P.S. But this seems natural to build a case to ultimately bring someone to justice. Obviously if this were happening to me, I might feel differently. I would not want to be in Martha's shoes right now.....
P.S.S. Question....If your being investigated and your truly innocent...even if your being singled out....what would you place your faith in?
Sulong:
>In general, the Gov. is not interested in justice.
>The Gov. is interested in a successful prosecution,
>at any cost.
Me:
In general, the defendant is not interested in justice. The defendant is interested in a successful defense, at any cost.
And that is why we have Juries.
JB
>In general, the Gov. is not interested in justice.
>The Gov. is interested in a successful prosecution,
>at any cost.
Me:
In general, the defendant is not interested in justice. The defendant is interested in a successful defense, at any cost.
And that is why we have Juries.
JB