Moving Forward: Your Opinion of ET

[wrbtrader]

If I remember correctly, a former moderator here at ET said a few years back that most of the suggestions are good and that Baron will eventually implement things but the primary reason was the coding situation. I guess he's ready to resolve some issues and fix things and he himself stated the following that's underlined...

Quote from Baron:

I am cool with it and will implement it. End of story.

I believe that the current ET is good but it's flawed in many ways, which prohibits it from ultimately being great. That's the reason I started this thread to begin with. But I want to make it great, and I know that every person in this thread feels the same way or you wouldn't be contributing your two cents.

IN THEORY, the current model of allowing users to hit the complain link on inappropriate posts seems like it should work well, but I'm learning that it really doesn't work all that great for a variety of reasons, especially on a busy site. Without getting into the details, the important takeaway is that idiots will ALWAYS be present on any site that gathers more than a few people, so the real question is how do you efficiently manage problematic posts? In other words, how do you make the junk posts disappear in a more real-time manner? Well, the best idea I've heard so far is giving the thread starter that control so that each thread already has a built-in moderator with vested interest in keeping it clean.

Now with that said, I don't believe that type of moderation is best for every type of forum. I think that forums which are essentially nothing but right-or-left matters of opinion like the P&R forum are best served as being a free-for-all unless things just get seriously out of control, in which case a designated mod like what we already have could step in and address the problem. But that's chasing rabbits... so enough of the digression.

The bottom line is that change is needed and it will be implemented. The only reason why it has taken so long to get to this point is that I really didn't want to deal with the inevitable downtime and/or speed bumps that comes with such an upgrade on an existing active site, especially after having had an epic fail at a similar attempt back in February. But I can't let that stop the progression, and I've got to come to grips that there are going to be growing pains in trying to get to the next level, even if that comes at the at the expense of losing some members and advertisers along the way. On the positive side, there really isn't better time than now to get the wheels of change going given that the site could be way busier, and therefore way more painful to upgrade, if the market volumes were anywhere near what they were a few years ago.

Simple solution is to test the self-moderation in one section of ET (e.g. Journals) or in one thread that's very active with very little noise ratio. Test such for a few months and then start a survey exclusively for those involved in that thread and/or reading that thread.

If things go well, add another thread or section of ET to the self-moderation process. I bet money talks, which is why Baron has come to the conclusion that change is needed and will happen. because this forum is a source of income for Baron regardless how small or large such may be.

Quote from wrbtrader:

Elitetrader.com has its main (primary) moderators like Magna and a few others. Using the main moderators...the self moderation by thread starters comes with some rules via using the "queue" process that's already being used by Baron in different situations (e.g. new registered members):

1) Thread deletions by an OP (thread starter) needs approval by the main moderators and the deletion process remains in "queue" until it is approved or denied.

2) Message post deletions by the OP (thread starter) remains in "queue" until it is approved or denied by the main moderators.

3) Any user name on the OP (thread starter) ignore list are unable to post messages in the OPs thread nor able to view the thread. Thus, helps in reducing the eyesore stalking activities by trolls and their associates.

4) Op (thread starter) that has not posted a message for 30 days in his/her own thread while the thread remains active...the thread loses its self-moderation ability and then goes into the "queue" process for thread closure. Primary moderators will then review the thread to determine if the thread is still on topic or if the thread should be split into a separate thread for discussions that are good but involving a completely different topic.

5) Op (thread starters) do not have access to IP addresses nor email addresses. Only the primary ET moderators have access to such.

6) Any one that uses the "complaint button" on any particular message...those messages are only sent to the primary moderators and not the OP (thread starter).

There's many other things that can be implemented in the self-moderation process to ensure its not abused by overzealous Op thread starters.

P.S. By the way, trolls will fight hard to keep things the way they are but Baron has already spoken and its about time. End of story...time to now move on to another thread discussion...see ya.

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from Rodney King:

Surf, Nobodies loves attention from somebodies, so the anonymous trolls -- especially the teenagers -- aren't going away as long as you and other high-profile real-name contributors are willing to interact with them... Notice how they all stayed up late last night flaming you, till finally their moms came down to their basements and yelled at them to get to bed...

No question about it, Rod. I make the mistake of acknowledging their sad state by responding-- which in turn feeds them--- to give you an idea of who we might be dealing with-- the guy who bought my Google Glass is 13! That should have given me some perspective-- thanks for the reminder.

surf

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from wrbtrader:

If I remember correctly, a former moderator here at ET said a few years back that most of the suggestions are good and that Baron will eventually implement things but the primary reason was the coding situation. I guess he's ready to resolve some issues and fix things and he himself stated the following that's underlined...



Simple solution is to test the self-moderation in one section of ET (e.g. Journals) or in one thread that's very active with very little noise ratio. Test such for a few months and then start a survey exclusively for those involved in that thread and/or reading that thread.

If things go well, add another thread or section of ET to the self-moderation process. I bet money talks and which is why Baron has come to the conclusion that change is needed and will happen. End of story.

P.S. By the way, trolls will fight hard to keep things the way they are but Baron has already spoken and its about time.

SImpler solution woud be to BAN every non paying seller of "education" or "services" to this community. They and their fans are the only ones who support such a twisted idea.

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There is no need to waste time, money and resource testing such a stupid idea. It is logically flawed from the get go. ANYTHING that will lower thread counts, eyeballs, or posts is suicidal for this type of site.

Not to mention over 46% of voters above vote to keep things the same. Why do you claim that its only the trolls? It's the majority. Only the stealth vendors and several others on this thread support this idea.

Why you so strongly support ONLY preaching to the CHOIR tells everything that is needed to know.


. surf

 

[sheda]

Aw surf why did you delete your post telling every one they cant ever have your watch or your skills, and now you appear to be quoting and talking to your self again. According to you everyone who uses ta is a stealth vendor.

Is there a need to test small sections of the site first? Just roll it out with no delete function, a user contributes a pointless/inflammatory post in your thread and you click "ban user from thread". As with the complain button you give a small description as to why, its simple enough for mods to compare your reasoning with the offending post and that user is banished from that thread.

When you create your next thread if that same user decides to contribute something of worth and is respectful then there is no issue but the moment they step out of line, be it page 1 or 10, they are gone and that thread can go to 1000 pages with interference.

Its all very simple. Until then this site is in decline.

 

[dev]

Trendline for sale.
Only used once, has minor cosmetic blemishes, otherwise works perfectly.



Slacker nailed it perfectly, with his deli analogy.
You're stood in the doorway surf, and refuse to accept that you're causing a nuisance.
How many aspiring traders have you, Dave & Rod frightened off in your forum career??

And then to discover you were paid to direct users elsewhere? Wow. That's a real low.
I'm surprised Baron tolerates you in any form.
If this were my site, you'd be tied up in a car boot, with pencils shoved up your nose.

I'm heavily short Dave Goodboy.

 

[dev]

Baron, I say this with the greatest respect: Why on earth do you tolerate this ?
Thread moderation seems, quite frankly, over-generous.

Its clear there's no way Dave will change his behaviour.

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from sheda:

Aw surf why did you delete your post telling every one they cant ever have your watch or your skills, and now you appear to be quoting and talking to your self again. According to you everyone who uses ta is a stealth vendor.

Is there a need to test small sections of the site first? Just roll it out with no delete function, a user contributes a pointless/inflammatory post in your thread and you click "ban user from thread". As with the complain button you give a small description as to why, its simple enough for mods to compare your reasoning with the offending post and that user is banished from that thread.

When you create your next thread if that same user decides to contribute something of worth and is respectful then there is no issue but the moment they step out of line, be it page 1 or 10, they are gone and that thread can go to 1000 pages with interference.

Its all very simple. Until then this site is in decline.

LOL! I know I had you on ignore but caught this post on my iPhone and its just too good not to respond. First, thank you for the calm and reasoned sounding post-- it sure beats your other kind. No, not all TA users are stealth vendors, but a few outspoken ones that support this idea are.

Secondly-- you really can't be this naive-- a ROLODEX is not a watch--- its a reference to one's group of contacts. I am not a fan of ROLEX watches either---- too funny!

Lastly, and most importantly, is the likely abuse that will occur under self moderated threads. Transfering the control of what can and can not be read to the masses can only have negative results. In a perfect world with no agendas where only the real trouble would be stomped out-- its a good idea-- too bad we live in a far from perfect world.

You have earned the ability to be removed from my ignore list for now.

surf

 

[sheda]

Its worse than being a stealth vendor at least a newbie who uses one stays on the site and becomes a contributing member. In response to one of his technical analysis bashes the other day I said surf your main consistent message is this site can do nothing for you, there is nothing you can do your self, contact a professional...

I wonder how many clueless his constant rants have put off trading, only to contact him and get talked into handing over funds? Is that what its all about?? As we know he does not address or provide any real counter to technical analysis or trading methods, there is nothing that can be responded to or debated with in a constructive manner, he just repeats the same thing over and over again as if seeking to gain constant exposure with his message, is it a marketing message?

Seriously?

Quote from dev:
And then to discover you were paid to direct users elsewhere? Wow. That's a real low.

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Secondly-- you really can't be this naive-- a ROLODEX is not a watch--- its a reference to one's group of contacts. I am not a fan of ROLEX watches either---- too funny!

There is naive and theres Sunday morning, some times, before the coffee, the behavior produced can be hard to tell apart but I have had my coffee now and I seriously suspect the above, I would really like to be wrong.

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from dev:

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And then to discover you were paid to direct users elsewhere? Wow. That's a real low.
I'm surprised Baron tolerates you in any form.
If this were my site, you'd be tied up in a car boot, with pencils shoved up your nose.

I'm heavily short Dave Goodboy.

Yes, I launched a competitive site in 2004/2005-- backed by a large media company--- while it caught on, it didn't produce enough income to keep the money men happy so we had to shut it down. I was smartly banned from elite trader. I have paid my dues to this site---- that was the past. Please don't keep bringing it up. Baron knows what attracts readers-- and its not generic content. You don't understand how these things work.

I like to think how many new traders I have saved from the sharks and deluded TA proponents/claims on this site. It is more than a few.

By the way, I am not Rod. He is much smarter and accomplished than myself.

surf

 

[dev]

Quote from marketsurfer:

Yes, I launched a competitive site in 2004/2005-- backed by a large media company--- while it caught on, it didn't produce enough income to keep the money men happy so we had to shut it down. I was smartly banned from elite trader. I have paid my dues to this site---- that was the past. Please don't keep bringing it up. Baron knows what attracts readers-- and its not generic content. You don't understand how these things work.

I like to think how many new traders I have saved from the sharks and deluded TA proponents/claims on this site. It is more than a few.

By the way, I am not Rod. He is much smarter and accomplished than myself.

surf

And now your M.O. seems to be

"This is my site, I have xxxx posts and you don't"
"I am saving newbs"
"Go away TA user, youre an idiot!"

No Dave, you're still driving people away.
Nothings changed.