Moving Forward: Your Opinion of ET

[marketsurfer]

Quote from sheda:

Its worse than being a stealth vendor at least a newbie who uses one stays on the site and becomes a contributing member. In response to one of his technical analysis bashes the other day I said surf your main consistent message is this site can do nothing for you, there is nothing you can do your self, contact a professional...

I wonder how many clueless his constant rants have put off trading, only to contact him and get talked into handing over funds? Is that what its all about?? As we know he does not address or provide any real counter to technical analysis or trading methods, there is nothing that can be responded to or debated with in a constructive manner, he just repeats the same thing over and over again as if seeking to gain constant exposure with his message, is it a marketing message?

Seriously?







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There is naive and theres Sunday morning, some times, before the coffee, the behavior produced can be hard to tell apart but I have had my coffee now and I seriously suspect the above, I would really like to be wrong.

I understand the mistake. However, you are not understanding my reasoning for being anti-TA. I am not anti TA, I am anti claims of never a losing day, and claims that TA is all one needs for success. In addition, that objective TA even works. TA holds some value but its far from the end all in succesful trading.

Sure, some folks can be succesful on their own. However it is vastly easier to have professional training at a prop firm than to try to find you own way. Why this causes such concern, I have no clue.

I am consistenty learning from this site. I even learn from my detractors at time. Why do you think differently?

surf

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from dev:

And now your M.O. seems to be

"This is my site, I have xxxx posts and you don't"
"I am saving newbs"
"Go away TA user, youre an idiot!"

No Dave, you're still driving people away.
Nothings changed.

Wrong-- go away TA guru who claims no losing days and that objective TA works. TA holds some value but certainly not in the way it is taught or the claims made for it. Do you really believe traders who claim they rarely have a losing day? surf

 

[dev]

Quote from marketsurfer:

_ Baron knows what attracts readers-- and its not generic content. You don't understand how these things work.

I ran a forum for 8 years.

I've crossed swords with a whole raft of sociopaths, psychopaths and mentally deluded over the years, you're not the first and you wont be the last.
Just one of these destructive people can bring a forum to its knees. Oanda found that out the hard way, with some dickhead called 'zero', who they failed to deal with early enough.

So please, don't sit there and pontificate when you know fuck all about me, who I am, where I've been, and what I know.

Your the worst kind of fool Dave - because you don't know that you don't know.

 

[dev]

Quote from marketsurfer:

Do you really believe traders who claim they rarely have a losing day? surf

On face value? Yes, why not. If they're lying, it doesn't hurt me - they're only fooling themselves.

With your alleged 'market experience', common sense says you should have matured past the childish stage of ranting at trading performance claims.

Who cares if user xyz is making it up? Its my own performance that matters!!

Perhaps your time could be better spent on system development, instead of strutting around here like a peacock with a burnt sphincter?

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from dev:

On face value? Yes, why not. If they're lying, it doesn't hurt me - they're only fooling themselves.

With your alleged 'market experience', common sense says you should have matured past the childish stage of ranting at trading performance claims.

Who cares if user xyz is making it up? Its my own performance that matters!!

Perhaps your time could be better spent on system development, instead of strutting around here like a peacock with a burnt sphincter?

Your right. I personally could care less whatever is said or claimed. However, as unfortunate as it may seem, I feel an obligation to share my knowledge and experience by warning noobs about these types of snake oilers. Just because someone is "nice" and appears credible can be very seductive to noobs despite their message being total nonsense. A counterpoint is needed and I am that counterpoint which is built on my hard earned experience. I have already made enough money to be able to do what I want when I want whenever I want. So don't worry about me. Worry about the lost souls who are just getting started and will waste years on the wrong path trying to "self" educate or worse become a disciple of a snake oiler---

surf

 

[drownpruf]

Quote from marketsurfer:

Yes, I launched a competitive site in 2004/2005-- backed by a large media company--- while it caught on, it didn't produce enough income to keep the money men happy so we had to shut it down. I was smartly banned from elite trader. I have paid my dues to this site---- that was the past. Please don't keep bringing it up. Baron knows what attracts readers-- and its not generic content. You don't understand how these things work.

I like to think how many new traders I have saved from the sharks and deluded TA proponents/claims on this site. It is more than a few.

By the way, I am not Rod. He is much smarter and accomplished than myself.

surf

Here, I'll help you. Competing site, not competitive. You have a tenuous grasp on the English language for a US "journalist".

Why not tell us what that site was, now that you've mentioned it. Since it's dead and gone it can't hurt to tell us unless this too is a complete pathological fabrication like everything that emanates from your keyboard.

Of course you'll respond that

- it's none of your business (but marketsurfer brought it up)
- I don't want to be banned (again, he brought it up)
- I like turtles!

 

[drownpruf]

Quote from marketsurfer:

share my knowledge and experience
surf

 

[slacker]

Surf's motivation could be to protect newbe traders from vendors or something else...

http://web.archive.org/web/20040911025033/http://realworldtrading.com/

Here is a page from Surf's 2005 portal. In many ways it was much better than ET. Excellent interviews done by Surf, some excellent 'trader contributions' from real traders.

However, he blew out his budget offering to pay people to post there and other credits. He was paying too much for content where Baron pays nothing. Baron's cost basis is very low (as we know...). He probably does most of the work himself, over years has a server cost as low as the industry can deliver, and volunteers.

I have often thought that Surf is trying to destroy ET because it was succeeding where he could not.

Surf''s view of the ET population as being made up of Stealth Vendors, and Newbe traders is very twisted. There have been several vendors who were identified by ET as being frauds such as Franz S&oar and others have learned. Surf did not play a role in that.

Surf is a bitter person who plays out his anger on ET, it is ugly, and stupid. I understand Surf; I do not understand Baron letting him camp out on his doorway like a homeless panhandler shouting at the reals customers.

Baron: I will make you an offer!!!! If you give me the ability to moderate my own thread I will make it one of the most popular threads at ET, BigMike, ForexFactory.... What do you say? Let me show that self-moderating not only works but can result in very fast page view increases.... What do you say Baron? Pay me nothing just give me the ability to moderate my own thread. Easy-peasy.

 

[marketsurfer]

Quote from drownpruf:

Here, I'll help you. Competing site, not competitive. You have a tenuous grasp on the English language for a US "journalist".

Why not tell us what that site was, now that you've mentioned it. Since it's dead and gone it can't hurt to tell us unless this too is a complete pathological fabrication like everything that emanates from your keyboard.

Of course you'll respond that

- it's none of your business (but marketsurfer brought it up)
- I don't want to be banned (again, he brought it up)
- I like turtles!

Sure, Beck. It was realworldtrading.com. But you already know this, not sure what I'm getting set up for but whatever.

surf

 

[marketsurfer]

Slacker,

You are totally right about the payment for posts being moronic. This was not my suggestion or idea. It was from my backers, and since they paid me and funded everything-- I had no choice. It was a last ditch effort to please the advertisers since outrageous things were promised by my sales staff-- again out of my control.

I am trying to make ET a better place. Not run by TA clowns and stealth vendors. A place for real pros not phony housewife types making ridiculous claims or mentally Ill old researchers pontificating for pages. I call these types out and you want to give them control. Why don't you start your own site?

surf