More Chaos for Obamney Care. Why is the Obvious not Obvious?

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The insurance companies and the Dems had a plan. I see it as hybrid. Crony / govt seizure of liberty and income.

The insurance companies would extract more profits and the dems could use the insurance exchanges to extract all the remaining money from the tax paying class through manipulation of the pricing of the insurance.

It is the same idea with college tuition. Jack it up way past the price you would typically charge and then charge less for people who can pay less.

Its a way to extract maximum revenue. It only works well when govt money or govt back loans are involved.

its sort of the same way with housing. The price of the assets rise to extract the maximum possible and it works when the lenders are not concerned about being paid back.

This is what happens when govt and cronies get together.
The sick thing is that we have no opposition from the press or establishment republicans.

When you combine this with systematic devaluation of the dollar progressive taxes which can take 60 percent or more of larger incomes ... plus a death tax...

You know why the income disparity exists. The cronies are locking in their advantage and turning everyone not in the top .05% to debt/insurance slaves.

This shows you why it was so sick the Roberts allowed the mandate to be renamed a tax. It sacrificed tax payers on the alter of cronies... it was highly liberty destroying.
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Hereby nominated for post of the year.
 
LOL! The usefully idiotic Democrats let the Medical Cartel write their ACA bill. Then they discover that it isn't what they were selling. We cannot keep our doctors, we cannot keep our plans, it's pricey shit that includes stuff we will never need, the first tier of medical care doesn't want to be bothered with it... so they blame states' rights...
 
thank you and you as well.

and Merry Christmas to everyone who desires one.


Quote from piezoe:

Whatever, Jem. Have a very Merry Holiday.
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thanks...

for a long time I could not understand why those who became rich in our country would turn into leftists.
Without understanding their motivation I did see how their system fits together so nicely.

When you posited the idea that for some it was like getting in the lifeboat and pulling up the ladder... It really came together for me.

I see how Buffet and the Pimco guys all get marched out in to support the FED and the system. (and then I see how they make billions because of the FED. )

I understand from talking with Yahoo guys... that a third of googles revenues come from dumping data to the US govt. So I see why those guys are now lefties.

I saw how anti trust suits got dropped against microsoft and they back msnbc.

Wealth and govt are very tied together. (perhaps they always were.)




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Hereby nominated for post of the year.
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Quote from jem:

your point is understood and makes sense. For me I do not think there should be an income tax or an estate tax.

We simply need to stop waste and take a new look at what our goals are.

The reality is a guy like Ron Paul was right... its time to save money and bring the troops home. The world wide project of might comes at a massive cost and it has been set up to open and keep open markets or resources for our bankers and our large international companies.

It was an interesting proposition for tax payers when our workers had all the jobs and the profits were brought back home for shareholders.

Now it seems the military cost is just and huge extraction from the tax payers. Its why the sequester was not really hurting anyone.

Cut the military... cut the borrowing cut income taxes.

We need to go back to pay as you go.
If we can afford national health care on a pay as you go basis without and income tax... great.
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oh, we can afford it, but there won't be much left over for anything else

medicare for all, cradle to grave

80/20 split just to keep someone honest

all paid for by the medicare tax

adjusted every year

100% flat

the machinery is all in place, no need for a rollout or implementation

To be honest with you, I'm not sure what the negative propaganda spin would be on that one, but I'm sure one side would come up with it if the other side passed it.
 
the funny thing is, we already have Universal Healthcare. Nobody in USA goes without healthcare.

We just have kind of a roundabout way of doing it.

You get sick, they treat you, you declare medical bankruptcy, the hospitals absorb it and pass it on to the paying patients. If the paying patients have insurance, they pass it on to the insurance company, and the insurance company passes it back to the paying patients in the form of higher premiums.

Compassionate capitalism at it's finest

beats the heck out of anything the government can come up with
 
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