Methods for gaining muscle and losing fat

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Creatine is one supplement right behind whey that has solid science showing it's benefits. And new studies are showing more healthy benefits not related to fitness and strength. Anecdotal evidence has it's place but it doesn't trump science.
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Okay, but a number of the people here who have used it are not sufficiently impressed to continue using it, myself included. As for the other benefits you refer to and the solid science behind it:
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...I found some sites that mention studies reporting additional health benefits of creatine supplementation, which include improved brain performance, energy levels and memory, as well as anxiety reduction. And so, I e-mailed a local well-known scientist and university professor to ask for his opinion on these additional benefits. I just received his e-mail response, which essentially says that he has not seen any compelling evidence in the peer-reviewed literature that would support this view...
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So I suppose it depends on whom you ask. I guess we'll have to disagree, at least until the studies are sufficiently compelling to my go-to source. I do hope your view is proven right, though.
 
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Okay, but a number of the people here who have used it are not sufficiently impressed to continue using it, myself included. As for the other benefits you refer to and the solid science behind it:

So I suppose it depends on whom you ask. I guess we'll have to disagree, at least until the studies are sufficiently compelling to my go-to source. I do hope your view is proven right, though.
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Wow if you got an email from a scientist then that settles the it right there. LOL I don't care if you take creatine or not, I'm just talking about the evidence behind it is all. And some of the increases people talk about with whey, creatine, increased protein intake, vitamins, green tea, an extra hour in the gym a week, etc. are in the single digits of a percent and probably don't mean that much to the average guy trying to stay fit.

Here's an interesting summary of studies and potential benefits of creatine from the mayo clinic.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/creatine/NS_patient-creatine/DSECTION=evidence
 
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Creatine is one supplement right behind whey that has solid science showing it's benefits. And new studies are showing more healthy benefits not related to fitness and strength. Anecdotal evidence has it's place but it doesn't trump science.
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Yes, creatine loading does have demonstrated benefits in increasing strength. I have read some of the studies and even have a book on my bookshelf.

But some of us have other goals. Some of us don't want to increase strength at the cost of blurring definition and looking/feeling puffy due to increased water retention.

It's not that creatine loading doesn't work or has no scientific evidence that supports its efficacy. It's just that creatine loading doesn't offer what we would like to have.
 
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Wow if you got an email from a scientist then that settles the it right there...
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He is someone whose opinion I value. As for your Mayo Clinic reference, they seem to draw the same general conclusion, laundry list of other potential benefits notwithstanding. More or better studies are called for in each and every case in order to draw a meaningful conclusion. So it would appear that our sources essentially concur.
 
I haven't read any of this thread, and this might be completely off topic BUT I'm assuming the majority of the men on here are old enough to get on TRT. That will make you feel young again and is a good method for building muscle and losing fat for sure!

Just thought I would throw that out there.

That is all.
 
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I haven't read any of this thread, and this might be completely off topic BUT I'm assuming the majority of the men on here are old enough to get on TRT. That will make you feel young again and is a good method for building muscle and losing fat for sure!

Just thought I would throw that out there.

That is all.
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My understanding is TRT atrophies the leydig and sertoli cells, irreversibly. The body trends towards homeostasis and it knows "how much" of each hormone it should have, and at which chronological point. It's pretty much the same as lifters who go on an extended "cycle" (2-5 years). HPTA shuts down and their leydig cells atrophy to shit. No more test. Imo, it's not worth it. Test can be raised naturally, through weight loss, muscle gain, proper sleep and nutrition. Or so we hope.
 
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