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Meet the COVID Delta variant
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Those are the numbers we know about the facility and we do know that contact tracing was started late.
Simply, there's a bigger unknown number and we do not know if someone has become severely ill or death in the unknown numbers. One may assume there's "no spread" beyond the Oklahoma Gym Facility but that's the danger with any infectious virus because that's how the spread moves quickly from one community to the next community...
Too many people think its just an outbreak at that Oklahoma Gym Facilty...very similar to the early thought back in March 2020...people thought in error its just that "nursing home".
The good news...the United States is better at managing the virus, there are better medical treatments, very little re-infections and a larger part of the population is vaccinated.
- Thus, there was in fact quite the boggy-man with that same familiarity back in March 2020 that eventually lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and now in 2021...the virus is attacking people much younger.
Yet, if the person that was hospitalized and in the ICU...if that person was a teenage gymnast...obviously the Delta Variant would be the boogy-man to the parents.
Simply, we know have historical data via last years outbreak about how the boogy-man developed in the United States...people didn't take it serious enough to prevent a lockdown and prevent losing the one thing they valued the most...their rights.
With that said, here's an interesting way to view the Covid Delta Variant and Vaccines. If you can easily dismiss the seriousness of the Covid Delta Variant because only one person at one Oklahoma Gym Facility was hospitalized / ICU...
- The boggy-man is now avoidable.
You should be just as dismissive of one person having an adverse reaction after being vaccinated from one vaccination center. Thus, that would also be quite the boggy-man from being vaccinated.
wrbtrader
You and GWB are just as big a fearmongers as the lame article. Trust me, if someone had died they would have led with that information. As far as spread.....
From the article....
“Thankfully, investigators didn’t find any secondary spread among Oklahoma gymnasts participating at the out-of-state meets.”
Continue your little covid circle jerk. The Dailybeast scare job was a dud.
Wallet,
Your not known to be someone that doesn't read English too well.
I will repeat...IF (in bold) someone had died or that someone was in ICU (the latter is what the article stated).
- We still don't know what condition the person was in that was hospitalized.
- That's NOT fear-mongering...its what the article stated and if you have an issue with the article...you're more welcome to write them a letter of complaint about fear-mongering.
As a reminder, the fear-mongering you guys have about vaccines or downplaying Covid every time you here a true story about Covid impact on families and society...
It's beyond stupidity. In fact, its a very dangerous attitude as the United States any many countries have now discover since March of 2020. It's simple now...protect the vulnerable and the facts now point to the vulnerable as those under 50 years of age.
Don't worry, we now have vaccines, more experience doctors / nurses and medical treatments for those that become infected but not vaccinated. You can now roll the dice as in Russian Roulette with your life assuming you will not have any severe Long Haul Covid symptoms.
Last of all, you're a smart dude...do not pretend Covid Delta Variant was only found in an Oklahoma Gym Facility used by gymnasts. Simply, if I wanted to be a fear-monger...I would mention the other +100 articles and videos around the world involving Covid Delta Variant hitting a community, infecting young people, infecting people with underlying medical conditions...
Yet, I will not do that because I will assume you're smart enough to know that Oklahoma is not ground zero for the Covid Delta Variant nor is it ground zero of people with low vaccination rate.
Here's one of such in Canada...a fully vaccinated death. A person that died from Covid Delta Variant. True news, the person was related to someone famous but name not mentioned in the video.
The vaccines are not 100% efficacy but we all know the facts about that.
wrbtrader
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Since the article stated..
“But, disturbingly, just four of those 47 people were fully vaccinated and two adults, both unvaccinated, ended up in the hospital.”
I’m assuming the ICU patient was one of the two adults.
While teenagers weren’t eligible to get the vaccine at the time of the outbreak, there were 13 people who came down with the virus who were eligible.
And of the 194 people identified as being exposed to the outbreak, 74 were eligible to get the vaccine but the vast majority of them had not.
194 total exposed , 74 eligible (adults), leaving 120 kids.
Out of which 47 contracted the virus. 13 eligible (adults) and 34 kids.
4 of 13 adults were vaccinated.
Kids 120 exposed, 34 get it and no problems.
Adults 74 exposed , 13 get it, 4 of which were fully vaccinated, 2 unvaccinated end up in the hospital of which 1 was ICU.
Sorry but that could just as well be the regular flu.
Well then, I'm not here to convince you.
Consider the Covid Delta Variant outbreak at a Oklahoma Gym Facility as a success story.
I've seen athletes infected with Covid last year that couldn't compete near their levels prior to becoming infected. Some had to stop competing for several months...a few star NCAA athletes.
Not a way to work hard your entire life and then not be able to compete again as their college eligibility ran out. It's the reason why the NCAA are now giving many sports an extra year of eligibility not just because athletes were quarantine in the Pandemic...
It's also because some athletes needed a year to recover from the Covid illness. As a former athlete myself (rowing)...I know how devastating it would be to lose ones eligibility because of something that's not their fault. The NCAA has traditionally been ruthless (not caring) except in situations involving an actual physical injury (e.g. torn MCL).
Sorry, a different story than the Delta Variant.
It's more than just a boggy-man even for people not infected...to them...its their college athletic career...still is as students prepare to go to college this fall for the very first time.
I'm mentioning this because typically, those teenagers from that Oklahoma Gym Facility...some of them will be enrolling in college this fall for the very first time and Covid will become very serious in comparison to the way it was treated at that Oklahoma Gym Facility.
wrbtrader
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Well then, I'm not here to convince you.
Consider the Covid Delta Variant outbreak at a Oklahoma Gym Facility as a success story.
I've seen athletes infected with Covid last year that couldn't compete near their levels prior to becoming infected. Some had to stop competing for several months...a few star NCAA athletes.
Not a way to work hard your entire life and then not be able to compete again as their college eligibility ran out. It's the reason why the NCAA are now giving many sports an extra year of eligibility not just because athletes were quarantine in the Pandemic...
It's also because some athletes needed a year to recover from the Covid illness. As a former athlete myself...I know how devastating it would be to lose ones eligibility because of something that's not their fault. The NCAA has traditionally been ruthless (not caring) except in situations involving an actual physical injury (e.g. torn MCL).
Sorry, a different story than the Delta Variant.
wrbtrader
I have a very good friend, avid golfer, nonsmoker, fit but does suffer from diabetes, family history. Spent 5 weeks total in ICU. Long haul patient, should have died. Has been months since he’s worked.
I’m not one to dismiss the virus as a hoax, I believe it’s real and a valid threat to certain individuals and populations. Vaccination is a good thing for some and completely unnecessary for others, imho.
Since the virus attacks the endothelium, hence the heart and blood-clothing issues, there are certain therapeutics and procedures to break the cyclostine and oxidative stress chain reactions that cause them. But are politically forbidden to discuss.
Vaccinations are not the only answer in beating this virus, but they’re the only arrow in the quiver the establishment will allow atm.
Hospitals aren't allowed to tell news media about patients' protected health information without prior authorization, so the hospitalized patient's age is unknown.
https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/2023/film-and-media/index.html
Actually, I've been saying something similar in many message posts all over the forum.
- I strongly recommend people get a full complete physical including full blood chemistry tests to help ensure that they are suitable for vaccination. Most do not. Thus, there are some people that are being vaccinated and they should not be taking the vaccine, take a different vaccine or rely on chance if infected that they'll have mild symptoms that doesn't require medical treatment nor hospitalization.
Regardless, most hospitals that I know in North America are now well suited to treat Covid patients with medical treatments, ventilators if needed et cetera in comparison to 2020.
- Simply, I don't take vaccines likely nor did I take it blindly nor do I underestimate the importance of medical treatments if someone becomes infected.
That vaccine hesitation in 2016 resulted in me almost paying the price with my life and it was an enormous disruption to my family because they had to put on hold their life for 3 months while I was in a coma for 2 months and then the first month out of the coma but still at the hospital while in the early stages of recovery.
Now fast forward, I'm not willing to go through a Covid Pneumonia, coma and life support...such an outcome not very good and if someone survives such an illness...there's long haul symptoms associated with the survival.
wrbtrader
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Yeah, I'm aware of such about patients privacy laws at a hospital.
Yet, news media still get their information from those that were athletes at the same Oklahoma Gym Facility such as coaches, employees and parents.
It wasn't revealed in the article but it'll eventually be revealed in another news article even if the patient is still in the hospital, recovering from home or back to home taking a little time off from being a gymnast and getting ready for college if it was teenage gymnast that was 18 years of old...consider to most to be a young adult.
wrbtrader
Claim: The delta variant of the coronavirus “is approximately 19 times less deadly.”
Data showing lower death rate for coronavirus delta variant doesn’t mean it’s less dangerous
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...howing-lower-death-rate-coronavirus-delta-va/
An Instagram post claimed it’s far less lethal.
"Fear in perpetuity," the post said. "Delta variant is approximately 19 times less deadly than the already massively inflated death numbers we got for China virus part 1. Mainstream media about to tell you otherwise 24/7."
The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)
Experts say there’s not enough data yet to determine whether the delta variant is less dangerous than earlier variants.
What’s known about the delta variant
Even as COVID-19 cases are on the decline and Americans resume much of normal life, new mutations of the virus are raising concern, particularly the delta. That variant, first identified in India in December, swept through Britain, and the first U.S. case was identified in March, according to the Yale School of Medicine.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicts the delta variant will soon account for 45% of infections in a large group of states that span from Missouri to Montana.
A study published in April by Science, the peer-reviewed journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, reviewed the delta variant in the United Kingdom. It found that the variant is 43% to 90% more transmissible than the original, but found "no clear evidence for a change in disease severity."
Why the post is misleading
The Instagram post includes a portion of Table 2 from a June 25 technical report on coronavirus variants by Public Health England, a government agency. The table indicates the case fatality rate is 0.1% for delta, compared with 1.9% for the original alpha variant — or 1/19th the rate. That’s how the post arrives at the conclusion that delta is "19 times less deadly."
Public Health England spokesperson James McCreadie told PolitiFact the post "is factually incorrect and manipulates our data."
McCreadie told us on July 5 that as of June 21, 117 people in England had died with the delta variant, including 44 who were unvaccinated. "Many factors contribute to death, including age, comorbidities and deprivation. It is too early to assess the case fatality ratio compared to other variants," he said.
Experts pointed out that lower case fatality rates would be expected, simply because so many people have been vaccinated in recent months, whereas the original coronavirus had time to spread and cause severe disease long before vaccines became widely available.
The vaccines authorized in the U.S. and the U.K. have been shown to substantially reduce the likelihood of getting infected with COVID-19, and to reduce the severity of the disease in those who do get infected.
Boston University professor Brooke Nichols, a health economist and infectious-disease mathematical modeler, noted that Table 4 of the same report shows that most people aged 50 and over who have been confirmed to be infected with the delta variant have had one or two doses of the vaccine.
"The reported case fatality rate from Table 2 in the report is really just illustrative of the effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing severe disease," she said.
Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, said: "All variants are going to have a lower case fatality rate, because a significant portion of the population, especially those at high risk for death, are fully or partially vaccinated."
The delta virus was "tamer because of the high proportion of high-risk people that were protected by a combination of vaccination and prior immunity," he added. "Also, treatments have improved."
Our ruling
An Instagram post claimed that the delta variant of the coronavirus "is approximately 19 times less deadly."
A government report from England indicates that the fatality rate for the delta variant there is 0.1%, compared with 1.9% for the original coronavirus. The difference is a factor of 19.
But the agency cautions that it is too soon to make comparisons of the risk of death posed by variants and says the post misinterprets the data.
We rate the post Mostly False.
Data showing lower death rate for coronavirus delta variant doesn’t mean it’s less dangerous
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...howing-lower-death-rate-coronavirus-delta-va/
- Experts say it’s too soon to know how dangerous delta is compared with other variants.
- Vaccination rates are much higher since the early coronavirus variants emerged.
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Vaccination is shown to reduce the severity of COVID-19 in those who are infected, so it’s expected that the relatively new delta variant would show a lower case fatality rate.
An Instagram post claimed it’s far less lethal.
"Fear in perpetuity," the post said. "Delta variant is approximately 19 times less deadly than the already massively inflated death numbers we got for China virus part 1. Mainstream media about to tell you otherwise 24/7."
The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)
Experts say there’s not enough data yet to determine whether the delta variant is less dangerous than earlier variants.
What’s known about the delta variant
Even as COVID-19 cases are on the decline and Americans resume much of normal life, new mutations of the virus are raising concern, particularly the delta. That variant, first identified in India in December, swept through Britain, and the first U.S. case was identified in March, according to the Yale School of Medicine.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicts the delta variant will soon account for 45% of infections in a large group of states that span from Missouri to Montana.
A study published in April by Science, the peer-reviewed journal of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, reviewed the delta variant in the United Kingdom. It found that the variant is 43% to 90% more transmissible than the original, but found "no clear evidence for a change in disease severity."
Why the post is misleading
The Instagram post includes a portion of Table 2 from a June 25 technical report on coronavirus variants by Public Health England, a government agency. The table indicates the case fatality rate is 0.1% for delta, compared with 1.9% for the original alpha variant — or 1/19th the rate. That’s how the post arrives at the conclusion that delta is "19 times less deadly."
Public Health England spokesperson James McCreadie told PolitiFact the post "is factually incorrect and manipulates our data."
McCreadie told us on July 5 that as of June 21, 117 people in England had died with the delta variant, including 44 who were unvaccinated. "Many factors contribute to death, including age, comorbidities and deprivation. It is too early to assess the case fatality ratio compared to other variants," he said.
Experts pointed out that lower case fatality rates would be expected, simply because so many people have been vaccinated in recent months, whereas the original coronavirus had time to spread and cause severe disease long before vaccines became widely available.
The vaccines authorized in the U.S. and the U.K. have been shown to substantially reduce the likelihood of getting infected with COVID-19, and to reduce the severity of the disease in those who do get infected.
Boston University professor Brooke Nichols, a health economist and infectious-disease mathematical modeler, noted that Table 4 of the same report shows that most people aged 50 and over who have been confirmed to be infected with the delta variant have had one or two doses of the vaccine.
"The reported case fatality rate from Table 2 in the report is really just illustrative of the effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing severe disease," she said.
Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, said: "All variants are going to have a lower case fatality rate, because a significant portion of the population, especially those at high risk for death, are fully or partially vaccinated."
The delta virus was "tamer because of the high proportion of high-risk people that were protected by a combination of vaccination and prior immunity," he added. "Also, treatments have improved."
Our ruling
An Instagram post claimed that the delta variant of the coronavirus "is approximately 19 times less deadly."
A government report from England indicates that the fatality rate for the delta variant there is 0.1%, compared with 1.9% for the original coronavirus. The difference is a factor of 19.
But the agency cautions that it is too soon to make comparisons of the risk of death posed by variants and says the post misinterprets the data.
We rate the post Mostly False.