Medicare For All Study

DTB2 said:
Try to keep up Tony, the exodus was out of Obamacare. If it becomes single payer there will be another exodus and no infill from young people coming into the profession.

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https://www.mdlinx.com/internal-medicine/article/994

Some of the key findings of the 2016 census include:
  • The total population of licensed physicians has increased by 12% since 2010, growing from 850,085 actively licensed physicians in 2010 to 953,695 in 2016;
  • From 2010 to 2016, the actively licensed US physician-to-population ratio increased from 277 physicians per 100,000-population to 295 physicians per 100,000-population;
 
Tony Stark said:
https://www.mdlinx.com/internal-medicine/article/994

Some of the key findings of the 2016 census include:
  • The total population of licensed physicians has increased by 12% since 2010, growing from 850,085 actively licensed physicians in 2010 to 953,695 in 2016;
  • From 2010 to 2016, the actively licensed US physician-to-population ratio increased from 277 physicians per 100,000-population to 295 physicians per 100,000-population;
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"They are providing important medical services to communities in need. According to a recent report, about 20.8 million Americans live in areas where at least half of the physicians are foreign-trained."

Not only does the backlog present a problem for physicians who are waiting on their residential status—some of whom have been waiting decades—but workforce experts have predicted that the U.S. will face a physician shortage for both primary care and specialty physicians in the decade to come.
 
vanzandt said:
"They are providing important medical services to communities in need. According to a recent report, about 20.8 million Americans live in areas where at least half of the physicians are foreign-trained."

Not only does the backlog present a problem for physicians who are waiting on their residential status—some of whom have been waiting decades—but workforce experts have predicted that the U.S. will face a physician shortage for both primary care and specialty physicians in the decade to come.
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There were predictions of doctor shortages prior to Obama coming to office fool.After Obamacare the number of doctors increased.Step your game up troll.
 
Physicians have been in short supply for last 20-30 years...and not by the lack of strong demand for entry into the medical field by indigenous and foreign applicants. The aggressive lobbying of the AMA have maintained physician shortages by design.

I would argue that a Medicare for all system would actually strengthen /preserve the quality of physicians and their salaries. The continuing trend of healthcare systems, hospital and physician group consolidation creates monopolies which decrease the need for physician specialists. Even primary care functions have mainly been taking over by nurse practitioners and PAs.
The drive for profit by corporations will only decrease the quality of care.
 
For the much ballyhooed healthcare systems of other Socialist countries, those who believe such BS should move to those countries and live for one year atleast. See how good those healthcare systems are in actual practice. Take Canada our next door neighbor, why is it that top Canadian officials cross the US border to seek medical treatment in the US? Now, these top Canadian officials seek medical treatment in the US in addition to paying out of pocket, those medical expenses. Let that sink in. The obvious reason is the long wait times for treatment. Sure, you get the supposed superior medical treatment but, you have to wait 6-8 months of it? What if you have cancer or need emergency surgery? What about rationing of healthcare benefits? Now, we have Obamacare in the US and rationing of healthcare benefits have not started yet, but, will be coming real soon. Let us see how those extolling the greatness of Obamacare feel when they get their medical benefits rationed or cut off entirely.
 
smallfil said:
For the much ballyhooed healthcare systems of other Socialist countries, those who believe such BS should move to those countries and live for one year atleast. See how good those healthcare systems are in actual practice. Take Canada our next door neighbor, why is it that top Canadian officials cross the US border to seek medical treatment in the US? Now, these top Canadian officials seek medical treatment in the US in addition to paying out of pocket, those medical expenses. Let that sink in. The obvious reason is the long wait times for treatment. Sure, you get the supposed superior medical treatment but, you have to wait 6-8 months of it? What if you have cancer or need emergency surgery? What about rationing of healthcare benefits? Now, we have Obamacare in the US and rationing of healthcare benefits have not started yet, but, will be coming real soon. Let us see how those extolling the greatness of Obamacare feel when they get their medical benefits rationed or cut off entirely.
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Your statements perhaps have some truth to them, however, they are anecdotal at best. Please reread my first post especially #3. Yes, maybe for you and me, we can get the best quality of care faster than a GrubHub delivery, but that is not the case for millions of Americans today. Every system has its flaws and benefits. But, there is no doubt healthcare will go under massive transformation to control cost. From what I see, I think the current system will only exacerbate the inequality of care and overall inevitable decline in quality of healthcare outcomes.
 
What you will see is more pharmacy type clinics-cheaper. More telephone consultations with doctors-cheaper. When you really need to SEE the doctor, expect longer waits and shorter Dr-patient time-cheaper.
 
The first thing that needs to be done is to address the COST of medical services. They are out of control. The whole medical profession is on - "Don't worry Medicare will pay for everything." There is a mind set here that will take 5-10 years to correct.

There is a separation between provider and the cost to patient. At every step of the treatment the provider needs to tell the patient how much their treatment is going to cost.

Imagine getting your car fixed and finding out after the fact that no it will not be $2.000 but your bill will be $10,000.

Medical is one of the few areas in which no one knows the cost until after the fact.

Adding more people to a system that is broken will only throw gasoline on the fire. Again, it will take 5-10 years for the medical establishment to adjust to a system where cost is important.
 
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