McCain to Palin - "Shut up and look pretty, let me do the talking"

[iceman1]

Quote from traderNik:

It's absurd is what it is. Having said that, the Republicans pushed their entire stack into the middle with this hand, in an effort to get their man into the White House, and that's the name of the game. They know full well that President Palin is a stupid joke. That's not the point. Palin is undeniably a boon to to the ticket.

IShopAtPublix
9-28-08 04:05 PM

If the old man gets elected and kicks the bucket, this broad will be "the decider". She will have nuclear launch codes, the veto pen, the ability to send aircraft carriers anywhere. It is a scary thought. Such a thought by itself should preclude someone from voting for McCain/Palin.

A-- FUCKING- MEN!!!!!!

So glad to hear there is still intelligent life left in the Country and willing to see this is not about "liberal or conservative" etc. but about a candiddate's selection for VP seriously placing everyone in jeopardy.

Frankly I wish he had chosen someone else and made the choice more difficult!

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Quote from traderNik:

I guess where we disagree is with the contention that Dems (or Republicans for that matter, of whom there are many who are now calling for a phased withdrawl) who voted in the early days were not voting for a war. They were voting to take Saddam out. No one was voting for what it turned into. I don't think Dems and Republican's have 'suddenly found religion'; I think there has been a gradual realization that this thing has turned into something they never voted for. I have always objected to the military intervention in Iraq being characterized as a 'war'. It is in fact not a war at all, in the commonly accepted sense of the word.

Congress and the Administration thought there would be dancing in the streets of Baghdad at the removal of Saddam. They BOTH miscalculated.

As far as I understand it, part of the current mess stems from the fact that Greenspan made money so cheap. I am also looking into the possibility that under the Clinton administration, there was legislation which forced banks to lend to minority and low-income individuals. I heard this on here and I haven't been able to confirm it. If this is true it will be a nasty surprise for me.


Nik, there's no single reason for "bubbles" and blaming Greenspan is incredible arm chair quarterbacking. Conventional wisdom throughout the economic community was that the tech collapse-9/11 would usher in an EXTREME era of deflating assets. The NASDAQ was on a perfect 29-1932 fractal and the problems we face NOW seemed like they would happen THEN. I can remember Bill O'Reilly going ballistic over Greenspan's refusal to cut rates during the primitive days of the 2000 decline. The last thing imaginable in the spring of 2003 was the Dow making a new ATH within another 3 years. As bad as everyone thinks the economy is now-fact is spending was WAY more anemic in 02-03. Greenspan is the first to admit he mis-gauged. Rising metals and the quick bounce in real estate was a warning sign. Remember how EVERYONE said 9/11 would burst Manhattan condo prices for ever? Jeez they were making new highs within months. Very unlike 1932, lol.

Likewise, did Congressionally mandated efforts to eliminate lender red lining and increase low income mortgages contribute? Certainly. Were sub-primes a reason in themselves for this correction? No. Put them together though with a generally accommodative Fed, mega liquidity from Asian CB's sucking Treasury yields dry, pension systems predicated upon returning 8% a year in fixed income like in the 80's and 90's, a declining dollar that made dollar denominated assets cheap, rising global real estate, bond and equity prices.....one can go on and on. A perfect storm. It's like the debate over oil price rise causation. There's a zillion factors. If we knew how or why even after the fact we'd be able to identify reasons to buy and sell in real time. We both know life is no where near that easy.

If you feel it's spending that needs to come under control, then surely a part of the reason for that need is that 1 trillion was spent on this 'war'.

Undoubtedly. Like Obama I would've opposed the war if I'd had the vote. The link is no longer available but a suburban Chicago newspaper wrote that I opposed the war at the time of vote and only supported Iraq after it started. The article was accurate. Unlike the Democrats who voted for the war and THEN protested it, I felt uncomfortable compromising the unfinished effort with woulda, coulda, shouldas. I'm an isolationist to the point that anything truly worth fighting for should only be with nukes.

 

[ak15]

Quote from IShopAtPublix:

You support John McCain I don't think you know anything really.
Is it one of the "jews run america" posts? Well Bill Clinton had a Jewish secretary of state (albright), jewish secretary of treasury (rubin), jewish secretary of defense (cohen) and he STILL did not go and overthrow Saddam. It is not about Jews at all. Remember Paul Wellstone? I do. Al Gore would not have overthrown Saddam despite what he may or may not have said in the early nineties. Saddam was not a threat to any country. Israel took out his reactors when he was building them his military capability was destroyed by the Gulf War and the sanctions and no country feared him. Turkey did not allow US to use its territory as a staging ground for the invasion which proves it was not concerned about the "threat" posed by Saddam.

The only person who thought saddam "posed a threat" to anybody was Dubya. That he managed to convince a majority of this nation to go along with him is mystifying to put it mildly. Even more mind- numbing is the ingenousness that is being displayed to this day by quite a major portion of gullible society that still inherently believes in this fabrication.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Well other than running for Congress in 2004, being an elected GOP official from 1999-2008, being briefed personally by Don Rumsfeld, you're right. I know nothing. This is case in point why I get pissed ala' John McCain when I post on ET. Because people like you are FUCKING MORONS!

Christ were you born last week?

February 18, 1998
Web posted at: 9:01 p.m. EST (0201 GMT)
COLUMBUS, Ohio (CNN) -- The Clinton administration's plan to launch a military strike on Iraq ran into plenty of flak in the American heartland Wednesday.

At a town meeting held in St. John Arena at Ohio State University and aired exclusively on CNN, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Defense Secretary William Cohen and National Security Adviser Sandy Berger encountered a noisy, opinionated crowd and considerable opposition to another war with Iraq.


Albright was drowned out at one point by a group chanting, "One, two, three, four, we don't want your racist war," as she tried to explain U.S. policy to the audience of 6,000.

The heckling became so intense at one point that Albright interrupted CNN's Judy Woodruff and said, "Could you tell those people I'll be happy to talk to them when this is over. I'd like to make my point."

Similar outbursts greeted Cohen and Berger as they laid out again a U.S. position that is familiar to those who have followed the building crisis in the media.

They said the United States would prefer to see a peaceful resolution and hopes that U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan will make significant progress when he visits with Iraqi officials this weekend.

But if Iraqi President Saddam Hussein doesn't allow U.N. arms inspectors to have unrestricted access to all weapons sites in Iraq, they reaffirmed that a U.S.-led coalition will respond with military force.

Quote from IShopAtPublix:


You support John McCain I don't think you know anything really.
Is it one of the "jews run america" posts? Well Bill Clinton had a Jewish secretary of state (albright), jewish secretary of treasury (rubin), jewish secretary of defense (cohen) and he STILL did not go and overthrow Saddam. It is not about Jews at all. Remember Paul Wellstone? I do. Al Gore would not have overthrown Saddam despite what he may or may not have said in the early nineties. Saddam was not a threat to any country. Israel took out his reactors when he was building them his military capability was destroyed by the Gulf War and the sanctions and no country feared him. Turkey did not allow US to use its territory as a staging ground for the invasion which proves it was not concerned about the "threat" posed by Saddam.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Another delusional loser. Get a clue....

Quote from ak15:

The only person who thought saddam "posed a threat" to anybody was Dubya. That he managed to convince a majority of this nation to go along with him is mystifying to put it mildly. Even more mind- numbing is the ingenousness that is being displayed to this day by quite a major portion of gullible society that still inherently believes in this fabrication.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

"Prepare the Country for War"

The New York Times reported that at the November 14 meeting the "White House decided to prepare the country for war." According to the Times, "[t]he decision was made to begin a public campaign through interviews on the Sunday morning television news programs to inform the American people of the dangers of biological warfare."6 During this time, the Washington Post reported that President Clinton specifically directed Cohen "to raise the profile of the biological and chemical threat."7

On November 16, Cohen made a widely reported appearance on ABC's This Week in which he placed a five-pound bag of sugar on the table and stated that that amount of anthrax "would destroy at least half the population" of Washington, D.C. Cohen explained how fast a person could die once exposed to anthrax. "One of the things we found with anthrax is that one breath and you are likely to face death within five days. One small particle of anthrax would produce death within five days." And he noted that Iraq "has had enormous amounts" of anthrax. Cohen also spoke on the extreme lethality of VX nerve agent: "One drop [of VX] from this particular thimble as such -- one single drop will kill you within a few minutes." And he reminded the world that Saddam may have enough VX to kill "millions, millions, if it were properly dispersed and through aerosol mechanisms

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-20040623.htm

 

[ak15]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Another delusional loser. Get a clue....

It is you who is the loser apart from being a liar, racist and a host of other disgusting qualities. Get yourself a life other than perennially trolling this board and spewing your vile nonsense.

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Chuck Schumer - October 10, 2002
"It is Hussein's vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the united states."

Bill Clinton - February 17, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

Madeleine Albright - February 1, 1998
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."

Nancy Pelosi - December 16, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Nancy Pelosi - October 10, 2002
"Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is trying to get nuclear weapons."

Ted Kennedy - September 27, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Jay Rockefeller - October 10, 2002
"There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."

Dick Durbin - September 30, 1999
"One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the possibility that North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or some other nation may acquire or develop nuclear weapons."

Bill Nelson - August 25, 2002
"My own personal view is, I think Saddam has chemical and biological weapons, and I expect that he is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. So at some point, we might have to act precipitously."

Bill Clinton - February 17, 1998
"We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st Century.... They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein."

John Edwards - February 6, 2003
"The question is whether we're going to allow this man who's been developing weapons of mass destruction continue to develop weapons of mass destruction, get nuclear capability and get to the place where -- if we're going to stop him if he invades a country around him -- it'll cost millions of lives as opposed to thousands of lives."

Al Gore - September 23, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

John Kerry - February 23, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East."

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Quote from ak15:

It is you who is the loser apart from being a liar, racist and a host of other disgusting qualities.

Loser? I can buy and sell YOU, correct?

Liar? How?

Racist? Who gives a fuck. Judge yourself.

 

[ak15]

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Loser? I can buy and sell YOU, correct?

Liar? How?

Racist? Who gives a fuck. Judge yourself.

Not even close you evil piece of shit.