McCain:Stop this euphoria, I vow to kill healthcare bill.
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I just have to say what a huge pleasure it is to see the extremist right wingers on this site getting their undereducated asses handed to them on a silver platter over and over again. At a time in history when the right should be winning everything in America, the Republicans are a running joke. I'm dying to see which nutcase they decide to run against Obama in 2012.
You know what the difference is between Obama and guys like Cheney, Wolfowitz, Karl Rove and their ilk? Obama actually believes in something other than money and power, and is willing to either win playing his hand or lose it all. He believed in this and he knew that if it bombed, he'd go down with it and he'd be pilloried in the history books. He didn't care. He just went with it. Gotta admire that, no matter what you think about his politics.
Let's see if the Republicans shoot themselves in the foot yet again by trying to get this overturned.
Palin in 2012!!!
You know what the difference is between Obama and guys like Cheney, Wolfowitz, Karl Rove and their ilk? Obama actually believes in something other than money and power, and is willing to either win playing his hand or lose it all. He believed in this and he knew that if it bombed, he'd go down with it and he'd be pilloried in the history books. He didn't care. He just went with it. Gotta admire that, no matter what you think about his politics.
Let's see if the Republicans shoot themselves in the foot yet again by trying to get this overturned.
Palin in 2012!!!
undereducated? I have a PhD in engineering, what do you have?
Getting my ass handed to me? by Optional, ..dumbass, or hermit? You gotta be kidding, whatever so called education you have you paid too much for if you think these guys have presented overwhelming arguments here.
Obama believes in socialist redistribution, we all knew that. Bush believed in the Iraq war, 'got it done' and bet the republicans power on it, you gonna congratulate him? In reality the president does little except persuade, and when it comes to new laws the congress does the hard work.
This is no game, this is our economic future and our freedom. I don't give a rats ass about anyones legacy, I am cheering for the USA. When you let the leftists run rampant, the miserable result is always the same. Engells and Marx thought they had it all figured out, they were the pinnacle of what it means to have the gov't in charge of the economy. They were the hope and change of their day, they were viewed as cutting edge. We all know the rest of the story.
I can only hang on to the fact the last time we had a liberal congress and president the result was the conservative revolution in congress and a forcing of the president to the middle. That led to the best 6 years economically in most people's memory. Republicans do have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot, but liberals always overreach.
This reply, to some extent, indicates the difference between education, and training. Anyway, no offense intended, engineers are of course highly valuable and I'm always on the look out for a good one. In fact, we have a 1 year position available in Abu Dhabi, UAE, open right now, internally. If we can't fill it... but then you have a PhD... you are probably research at this point?
Not going to UAE, tied to family. thanks anyway
Optical engineer, several patents and many pubs, both research and systems level application. One needs to be educated before one can be trained in my area. I have both, despite your unsupported claims to have knowledge of my professional aptitudes.
I have many scientist an engineer friends, a few are happy with the law but the majority are aghast at it. A chinese transplant laments that he left china to escape this sort of thing.
Optical engineer, several patents and many pubs, both research and systems level application. One needs to be educated before one can be trained in my area. I have both, despite your unsupported claims to have knowledge of my professional aptitudes.
I have many scientist an engineer friends, a few are happy with the law but the majority are aghast at it. A chinese transplant laments that he left china to escape this sort of thing.
Same here.
What's more, the HC bill has some terrible parts to it, eg, one can pay the fine and not get insurance until he needs it (gets seriously ill) and then they can't refuse him. Think about it - this law literally provides powerful incentives for people to get around it and weaken the overall system by raising the % of seriously sick people among those who participate.
There are many more arguments against it, the biggest on which is that we, Americans, don't want to live in a country where all aspects of our lives are run by the government, like many Europeans and Asians do. This HC law is yet another step by Obama to take us there. Many more to come
I don't know if you're one of the extremists here (your name doesn't come to mind when I think of the worst of them, and the fact that they're undereducated is obvious to anyone who reads their posts). If you have a graduate degree, you're one of a very few on the extreme right who do. I have but a lowly M.A.
No, you misunderstand me, and you know nothing about me if you believe that I consider the member (I use that term euphemistically) whose name I cannot mention capable of kicking anyone's ass in debate. I have as much contempt for the extremist leftists as I do for the extremist rightists here. You're getting your asses handed to you politically, and by the American people.
Got what done? It's telling that you use the phrase 'got it done' paranthetically. Perhaps that college education wasn't totally wasted. Even you can't bring yourself to use it without a qualifier. What he got done in Iraq wasn't worth the lives of those brave soliders, the limbs and futures of so many more, the lives of the innocent passers-by, and a trillion dollars. What he got the U.S. (and Canada) into in Afghanistan is even more pointless. Just ask the Russians.
One properly trained and funded special ops team could have (and should have) taken Saddam out for slightly less money and collateral costs.
Sorry, but it's that kind of hysterical reaction that characterizes the far right, and if you're as educated as you say, it's beneath you. Obama = Marx? That's just a stupid analogy. Sure, I agree that Obama is left of George Bush, but 'socialist redistribution of wealth'? I mean, come on. That's as bad as anything you accuse the leftist radicals of.
You're cheering for the U.S.? All of us who used to believe that America was the greatest country on earth are cheering with you. However, the problems that have bogged you down aren't solely attributable to a political party. In fact, the type of blind partisanship and knee-jerk generalization that you seem to engaging in is partly to blame for your current problems. Politics in your country is officially dead, replaced by partisan posturing and the quest for power.
Know what's truly ironic? What brought the 'great experiment' of communism down? Human nature. Those in power in Russia acted like humans and let greed and avarice take over, enriching themselves beyond imagination while the country starved.
What happened in America recently? The same damn thing. Capitalism without controls led those who saw inside the game to realize that they could make billions of dollars securitizing all that crap debt, and they did it. Human nature.
Free markets are the only viable system, and capitalism is the only viable form of economic organization. Capitalism with controls makes sense to me. What about you? Do the Chinese (those Commie bastards) keep you awake at night?
You know Nixon was the worst president when it came to socialism. Google Nixon Shock. And not only that he opened the door for Red China to march into our economy. He instituted Price and Wage controls etc..
Thank the Republicans for this.
Not sure you're correct there. I'm against war, any war, but, the fact is that those two miserable countries now have a chance at democracy and a better life. From most Americans' perspective, Bush was right; the effort, blood and treasure spent was worth it; and, perhaps as the greatest compliment, Obama is continuing his policies over there.
Those were his own words on the campaign trail, repeated by many on the liberal left, and even recently echoed by some of his pals (eg, Rev Sharpton)... He definitely is leaning that way as much as many Europeans are.
Could not agree with you more on this one. Imo, the best system is capitalism coupled with very strong and snart regulation. Or else, money will eat everyone and everything alive across the globe. The government's role should be only that regulation, and leave the provision of all/most services to the private sector.
Btw, and not that anyone is asking, I have a PhD in Physics from UVA
