There is more alpha when you break down an index or sector and focus on the more narrow parts. If you are trading "relationships" you want to be as narrow as possible. It's very hard to zero in on "broad" relationships with any kind of edge.
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Maverick Vs Don Bright
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There is more alpha when you break down an index or sector and focus on the more narrow parts. If you are trading "relationships" you want to be as narrow as possible. It's very hard to zero in on "broad" relationships with any kind of edge.
Despite the headache to Mav and Don this thread may have become, I think it is great. 2 people who know more than me answering valid, and false implications is great. I came close to making the leap, but was too lazy to study and make the leap. I make fairly good money on the futures side, but would be better off tax and trading wise using the leverage available through prop for my equity trading. I just have an issue with studying to do the same thing I do without a license.
Thanks for spending the time here. In another couple of years when I'm done helping coaching kids, I may make the leap I should have made years ago.
Hopefully these guys will still be here expressing their opinions. I think they are valuable.
Thanks for spending the time here. In another couple of years when I'm done helping coaching kids, I may make the leap I should have made years ago.
Hopefully these guys will still be here expressing their opinions. I think they are valuable.
Okay, that makes sense. But can you trade ETFs as frequently as you can any other liquid instrument such as stocks or futures, and are the spreads conducive enough to do so on well-moving ones?Quote from Maverick74:
There is more alpha when you break down an index or sector and focus on the more narrow parts. If you are trading "relationships" you want to be as narrow as possible. It's very hard to zero in on "broad" relationships with any kind of edge.
Also, I recall you mentioned something about spread trading with fairly large size. Are you going to time your trades technically, or will you be looking to buy something "cheap" while selling something "expensive," as you see it? And finally, do you see spread trading as necessarily less risky or potentially more so because of the presumably higher leverage and the possibility of a decoupling of the assumed relationship?
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Okay, that makes sense. But can you trade ETFs as frequently as you can any other liquid instrument such as stocks or futures, and are the spreads conducive enough to do so on well-moving ones?
Also, I recall you mentioned something about spread trading with fairly large size. Are you going to time your trades technically, or will you be looking to buy something "cheap" while selling something "expensive," as you see it? And finally, do you see spread trading as necessarily less risky or potentially more so because of the presumably higher leverage and the possibility of a decoupling of the assumed relationship?
I didn't really intend on this thread being a strategy discussion thread but I'll extend you the courtesy and try to answer your questions.
The ETF's I trade are very liquid with penny wide spreads. They are more liquid then most futures contracts. The trades are quantitatively based. They are not relative value trades.
Spread trading is less risky and more importantly much smoother. The general rule of thump is they are inversely correlated to flat price in broad markets. Meaning, when markets are strongly trending, spreading can be choppy and messy. In choppy markets, spreading is very smooth. So since markets tend to be choppy and directionless 80% of the time, spread trading is smooth 80% of the time. These are just general rules obviously.
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before you listen to this psycho
read this
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238087
before you listen to this psycho
read this
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238087
Quote from blowingup2012:
At least Maverick could allow Don to come on here and comment on these claims. Of course, there will not be traders from Don's firm on Elitetrader or traders who admit they are from Don's firm. If someone comes on here saying they are from Don's firm then there are conflicts of interest and maybe even Don had them sign a routine confidentiality agreement. Plus, its business courtesy not to jump on a site and reveal the inner workings of what goes on at the firm you trade at. If you owned a firm, would you appreciate that?
I think Maverick should invite Don to this conversation rather then posting it up behind his back.
Interesting, thanks. Good luck.Quote from Maverick74:
I didn't really intend on this thread being a strategy discussion thread but I'll extend you the courtesy and try to answer your questions.
The ETF's I trade are very liquid with penny wide spreads. They are more liquid then most futures contracts. The trades are quantitatively based. They are not relative value trades.
Spread trading is less risky and more importantly much smoother. The general rule of thump is they are inversely correlated to flat price in broad markets. Meaning, when markets are strongly trending, spreading can be choppy and messy. In choppy markets, spreading is very smooth. So since markets tend to be choppy and directionless 80% of the time, spread trading is smooth 80% of the time. These are just general rules obviously.
I think Maverick should invite Don to this conversation rather then posting it up behind his back.
OK, I didn't ask Mav to start this thread, and he had no reason to ask me or tell me that he was going to do it. I have always respected him, and respect his posting all this.This may not be the best "marketing" - but I really don't mind him posting realities of working with us.
Mav has always been a straight shooter, and I would welcome a conference call with him and whomever wants to discuss any part of trading with us. I'm not giving him special treatment, no more than I would of any friend....or new trader that I don't know....doing my best to make them a solid Bright Trader.
Don
OK, I didn't ask Mav to start this thread, and he had no reason to ask me or tell me that he was going to do it. I have always respected him, and respect his posting all this.This may not be the best "marketing" - but I really don't mind him posting realities of working with us.
Mav has always been a straight shooter, and I would welcome a conference call with him and whomever wants to discuss any part of trading with us. I'm not giving him special treatment, no more than I would of any friend....or new trader that I don't know....doing my best to make them a solid Bright Trader.
Don
Quote from Maverick74:
I didn't really intend on this thread being a strategy discussion thread but I'll extend you the courtesy and try to answer your questions.
The ETF's I trade are very liquid with penny wide spreads. They are more liquid then most futures contracts. The trades are quantitatively based. They are not relative value trades.
Spread trading is less risky and more importantly much smoother. The general rule of thump is they are inversely correlated to flat price in broad markets. Meaning, when markets are strongly trending, spreading can be choppy and messy. In choppy markets, spreading is very smooth. So since markets tend to be choppy and directionless 80% of the time, spread trading is smooth 80% of the time. These are just general rules obviously.
What software are you using for the price modelling?
Quote from Maverick74:
Ballpark 10k to 20k shares. Hopefully by the end of the summer 20k plus.
Are you talking per hour? LOL.
To everyone. Mr. Mav and I are actually friends. I have spent time listening to his needs, and trying to help him and his trading partner. I do that with everyone who joins the Firm - we are "hands on" - that is as big an edge as just capital and financial security.
Look, a couple of extra steps to help a long term, profitable trader is good business....and, just the way I like to do all my business. No big deal overall.
Don