Mattis: US To "Annihilate" Islamic State Caliphate, Civilian Casualties A "Fact Of Life"

[Max E.]

I used to have this perspective, but when you are in a 3rd world country w/an enemy eons more sophisticated fighting like "men" w/drones, night vision, 2 mile range snipers, all sorts of long range weaponry, etc... It's not exactly hand to hand trench warfare. Dirty war is the only way to make things even (by switching popular support for occupation in your enemy's country)

Yeah this is one area where i actually agree with both you and Bill Maher..... We love to talk about these guys as if they are chicken shit while we are fighting a war on computers with a much much lower chance of casualty.

Is it awful to attack civilians who have no chance to fight back? Absolutely. But with that said, to say those guys have any less balls when they know their life can be ended with a drone strike at any moment i dont think fully tells the story. These guys are willing to fight and die for their cause, and alot more than we are, i think it is certainly inaccurate to call them cowards.

We fight wars from afar with casualties limited by technological advantages. They stand in on the front lines where there life can be ended at any moment.

This is where we are going wrong just like in vietnam. If a guy is willing to pull the pin on a grenade and kill himself as long as he takes a few infidels down with him you cant win that war. So long as one guy is willing to kill himself to take down 20 people with him, its almost impossible to win, only thing we can do is limit the damage, contain them to where they are push them out of areas we think have a chance. But they certainly arent cowards, thats the biggest mistake we make.

Keep them the fuck out of here and let them blow themselves up, other than that its a lost cause.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah this is one area where i actualIy agree with both you and Bill Maher..... We love to talk about these guys as if they are chicken shit while we are fighting a war on computers with a much much lower chance of casualty.

Is it awful to attack civilians who have no chance to fight back? Absolutely. But with that said, to say those guys have any less balls when they know their life can be ended with a drone strike at any moment i dont think fully tells the story. These guys are willing to fight and die for their cause, and alot more than we are, i think it is certainly inaccurate to call them cowards.

We fight wars from afar with casualties limited by technological advantages. They stand in on the front lines where there life can be ended at any moment.

This is where we are going wrong just like in vietnam. If a guy is willing to pull the pin on a grenade and kill himself as long as he takes a few infidels down with him you cant win that war. So long as one guy is willing to kill himself to take down 20 people with him, its almost impossible to win, only thing we can do is limit the damage, contain them to where they are push them out of areas we think have a chance. But they certainly arent cowards, thats the biggest mistake we make.

Keep them the fuck out of here and let them blow themselves up, other than that its a lost cause.

Lost cause for sure, but we may be past just letting them kill each other and keep it contained. They're on a all the infidels must die mission, and I don't see them abandoning that just because we leave. It's a f'n mess for sure.

 

[Max E.]

Lost cause for sure, but we may be past just letting them kill each other and keep it contained. They're on a all the infidels must die mission and I don't see them abandoning that just because we leave. It's a f'n mess for sure.

Yeah i dont know what the answer is, i certainly dont think it is boots on the ground, maybe the answer is just indiscriminate bombing, make the whole place into a wasteland where no one in there right mind would live there until sane people can take over and rebuild.

I feel like the answer i know is absolutely WRONG is boots on the ground with pussy rules of engagement costing our people our lives so that we hope they can figure their shit out. This is where Trumps response hits home with most people, just keep them the fuck away from us, we have proven its a lost cause, just like Iraq, so many lost lives for nothing.

With that said, I wouldnt want to be the one making the call to indiscriminately bomb areas with civilians involved, I consider myself an agnostic but i wouldnt want to meet my maker (whoever that may be) one day with that shit on my hands, but maybe thats the only way out.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah i dont know what the answer is, i certainly dont think it is boots on the ground, maybe the answer is just indiscriminate bombing, make the whole place into a wasteland where no one in there right mind would live there until sane people can take over and rebuild.

I feel like the answer i know is absolutely WRONG is boots on the ground with pussy rules of engagement costing our people our lives so that we hope they can figure their shit out. This is where Trumps response hits home with most people, just keep them the fuck away from us, we have proven its a lost cause, just like Iraq, so many lost lives for nothing.

With that said, I wouldnt want to be the one making the call to indiscriminately bomb areas with civilians involved, I consider myself an agnostic but i wouldnt want to meet my maker (whoever that may be) one day with that shit on my hands, but maybe thats the only way out.

Tough choices. We can flatten the entire region and I don't see anyone making that call, or we can hope to slowly civilize them. So far they don't seem interested in the whole indoor plumbing and schools thingy. Internet porn may slow them down a bit.

 

[Max E.]

Tough choices. We can flatten the entire region and I don't see anyone making that call, or we can hope to slowly civilize them. So far they don't seem interested in the whole indoor plumbing and schools thingy. Internet porn may slow them down a bit.

 

[java]

A lot of American and European bystanders you mean. Trump killed more innocents in his first raid than Isis has killed of Americans in the last 4 years.

Kill them all. They still owe us 3k from 9/11.

 

[newwurldmn]

Kill them all. They still owe us 3k from 9/11.

I bet that plays well at the cross burning.

 

[java]

I bet that plays well at the cross burning.

Get your facts straight you un American outsider. Cross burning is for blacks, jews and catholics.

 

[newwurldmn]

Get your facts straight you un American outsider. Cross burning is for blacks, jews and catholics.

I Forgot. What is it for muslims? Trump Rallies in stadiums?

 

[java]

I Forgot. What is it for muslims? Trump Rallies in stadiums?

Nobody goes to stadiums anymore. Too dangerous. I tell ya, it's terrifying out there. Somebody should do something about it.