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marriage and government
- Thread starter Gordon Gekko
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>But my point is that you're avoiding the question, "What
>is you great solution, given the general events of the
>Bible are true, that God could have done?" Again, short
>of slaying most of the Egyptian army, there are no other >solutions except to go for some severe "behavior
>modification."
Can you not read shoe? I typed out three other solutions without even blinking. I assure you I could make this the longest thread in ET history by simply continuing to type one more option after one more option that did not end in the killing of the babies (or any killing at all).
JB
>is you great solution, given the general events of the
>Bible are true, that God could have done?" Again, short
>of slaying most of the Egyptian army, there are no other >solutions except to go for some severe "behavior
>modification."
Can you not read shoe? I typed out three other solutions without even blinking. I assure you I could make this the longest thread in ET history by simply continuing to type one more option after one more option that did not end in the killing of the babies (or any killing at all).
JB
Quote from Turok:
>I see your point except for one thing: there is no
>way to free them from the Egyptians and keep the
>Egyptians from pursuing them.
He's freakin' god...he can do anything. Give me a break. He can create a mighty river that is uncrossable just behind them and the Egyptians will be stuck. He can form a perpetually flowing lava channel that can't be bridged. He can open up a crevasse so wide they can't even see across it.
No, let's kill the babies and obedient shoe will stick up for me and tell all that I HAD TO DO IT... THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY.
JB
Okay, that's true. He could have sucked them up in a white tornado and created another Grand Canyon. I admit now that there are other scenarios.
So I'll simply state my main point: there was nothing unjust in what God did. It may not be the way that you would like for God to have done it, but I feel He was entirely justified in freeing the Israelite people the way He did considering their circumstances.
I can imagine certain reasons why this way would be better than my "white tornado" scenario, but there's not much point in going into that. You guys always assume the worst about the God of Israel - i.e. that He's a serial killer, etc. - and I always assume the best. So I don't think we can have much of a discussion about it.
Quote from LongShot:
Precisely...
but IT chose to KILL.
here is why:
EX 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:
to show that he is Lord;
to show that there is none like him in all the earth;
to show his great power;
to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;
to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;
to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egyptians
POWER TRIP, nothing more.
Read it and weep christians.
:-/
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You are assuming that is His only motivation. That is simply not true!
>You guys always assume the worst
>about the God of Israel
I only assume what the bible says it true for the sake of conversation with someone like you who believes just that.
I believe that it is a historically significant book consisting of truth, fable, and a lot of really bad representations for someones god.
JB
>about the God of Israel
I only assume what the bible says it true for the sake of conversation with someone like you who believes just that.
I believe that it is a historically significant book consisting of truth, fable, and a lot of really bad representations for someones god.
JB
Quote from alfonso:
Shiney, my advice to you is to IGNORE Longshot's barbs. Can't you tell that he couldn't care less about what answer you give him? That whatever you say simply gives him greater momentum? Why allow him that power?
It's tough. He always assumes the worst about the Bible and then trash-talks everyone who disagrees with him. It's tough to ignore...But, yes, I have never seen him budge even a mm on an issue and won't even concede any grey areas or any possiblities.
Maybe you do, but my impression is that most other materialist on et don't. They assume the VERY worst imaginable to support their position...Quote from Turok:
>You guys always assume the worst
>about the God of Israel
I only assume what the bible says it true for the sake of conversation with someone like you who believes just that.
I believe that it is a historically significant book consisting of truth, fable, and a lot of really bad representations for someones god.
JB
Quote from ShoeshineBoy:
Maybe you do, but my impression is that most other materialist on et don't. They assume the VERY worst imaginable to support their position...
i dont ASSUME, that's YOUR burden, *I* read:
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly
hmmm. very nice
:-/
Quote from Turok:
Can you not read shoe? I typed out three other solutions without even blinking. I assure you I could make this the longest thread in ET history by simply continuing to type one more option after one more option that did not end in the killing of the babies (or any killing at all).
JB
I re-answered above and admitted seeing what you guys were saying on this, i.e. that there were other scenarios possible.
Where I disagree is that God was morally wrong in doing the events in the biblical account or that it was wrong to free the Israelites.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and shown "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go
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DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and shown "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go
:eek: