Manchin says he will not vote for Build Back Better: 'This is a no'

In Trenton, NJ the infrastructure bill is a big deal. We built a highway through Trenton with a tunnel that forces trucks into city streets that actually cut off the city from the riverfront. Totally screwed a lot of blue collar minority home owners. We will be using funds from the infrastructure bill to fix that and it’s big deal here. Bonnie Watson Coleman worked hard to get that funding and it’s going transform a large section of Trenton. Lots of things like that will be happening all across this country.

But again I make this point to the right wingers on this board and it goes right over their heads too, progressives are not the base of the democrat party. The base of the party has real priorities and are interested in getting things done, not fighting all of the time.

Tax payers having to ante up to pay for your highway boondoggle, figures..... brightest and best he said. o_O
 
In Trenton, NJ the infrastructure bill is a big deal. We built a highway through Trenton with a tunnel that forces trucks into city streets that actually cut off the city from the riverfront. Totally screwed a lot of blue collar minority home owners. We will be using funds from the infrastructure bill to fix that and it’s big deal here. Bonnie Watson Coleman worked hard to get that funding and it’s going transform a large section of Trenton. Lots of things like that will be happening all across this country.

But again I make this point to the right wingers on this board and it goes right over their heads too, progressives are not the base of the democrat party. The base of the party has real priorities and are interested in getting things done, not fighting all of the time.

A democrat can't win the presidency without high black voter turnout and moderate progressive turnout.Biden wont have either in 2024 and that's why he has a 40% approval rating and black and progressive voter turnout in VA was far lower in 2021 than it was in the prior 2 Governor races.

The moderate vote stays the same.The moderate vote for Bill,Obama,Hillary and Biden was about the same.The difference between the winners and Hillary was black and progressive voter turnout.

I knew Biden would win 2020 because of the high black and progressive voter turnout in all the races from 2017 to 2020.I know he will lose because of the low black and progressive approval ratings he has now and the low black and progressive voter turnout they had in VA and will continue to have.
 
Last edited:
White House incivility is what 'lost' Joe Manchin

Joe and Joe were pulling in the same direction. There would be no BBB gifts under the Christmas tree — but no one would get coal in their stockings, either. Both sides were congenial, and both agreed not to trash each other, not to throw around White House chief of staff Ron Klain’s name, or the president’s or presidential counselor Steve Ricchetti’s — and the White House would refrain from finger-pointing as a way to keep the process constructive.

My sources on this come from both Manchin’s people and the White House.

But then – bang! – the White House released a statement blaming Manchin for the delay. It tried to strike a positive tone about the future, but it targeted Manchin specifically and alone.
 
Biden is destroying his own Presidency.
He won the nomination because the voters rejected the Sanders/Warren vision of things, and now Joe is attempting to do just that. Lots of Dem voters are pissed. They don't want this crap. If they did Bernie would have won. Now Joe is kissing everyone's ass. The whole thing is a clusterf*ck.

There is actually a lot of complicated primary history in regard to how Biden won.

Yes, there is the valid argument that voters did not want the Sanders/Warren wing of the party, otherwise they would have voted for them. But a valid argument could be made that Biden was elected because Sanders or Warren were headed for nomination. Bernie was ahead or running strong. Both Biden and Warren figured that Bernie was too commie to get the nomination even though he was running strong. Biden was expecting to inherit much of Bernie's votes when he went down, but Warren expected the same. Problem is, Bernie was hanging in there.

So, that is where they rolled Jim Clyburn out of the mothball fleet right before upcoming minority-heavy primaries, most notably South Carolina. And he endorsed Biden, and the rest is history.

That's long-winded way of saying that I wish that the true intent of the voters had been to be more moderate but there was a major, huge show of support for bernie and if not for jim clyburn racializing things. Bernie would have won. Even clyburn did not want Biden until he had to want him. He flat out said and thought that Bernie could not win if nominated.

Lots of lefty support out there. Lots. Some of it has been dialed back a little as programs visibly begin to fail but the lefties are still there to be had if only they had a candidate who was not a loon or a retread.

it is true that- aside from left or right politics- all the dems wanted to have a more even-keeled, less chaotic president after trump. But that isnt working either. Plenty of chaos and failure and revising pandemic plans weekly and revising statements about the economy weekly. Chaos and crime in the streets.
 
Last edited:
In Trenton, NJ the infrastructure bill is a big deal. We built a highway through Trenton with a tunnel that forces trucks into city streets that actually cut off the city from the riverfront. Totally screwed a lot of blue collar minority home owners. We will be using funds from the infrastructure bill to fix that and it’s big deal here. Bonnie Watson Coleman worked hard to get that funding and it’s going transform a large section of Trenton. Lots of things like that will be happening all across this country.

.


BTW this means nothing to progressive and black voters that won him 2020 and he will need to win 2024
 
In Trenton, NJ the infrastructure bill is a big deal. We built a highway through Trenton with a tunnel that forces trucks into city streets that actually cut off the city from the riverfront. Totally screwed a lot of blue collar minority home owners. We will be using funds from the infrastructure bill to fix that and it’s big deal here. Bonnie Watson Coleman worked hard to get that funding and it’s going transform a large section of Trenton. Lots of things like that will be happening all across this country.

But again I make this point to the right wingers on this board and it goes right over their heads too, progressives are not the base of the democrat party. The base of the party has real priorities and are interested in getting things done, not fighting all of the time.

No one doubts that highways and freeways are a big issue for New Jersey- the only state in country where when someone wants to know where you live they say "what exit?"
 
Tax payers having to ante up to pay for your highway boondoggle, figures..... brightest and best he said. o_O

We laid highways through minority neighborhoods as policy for decades all across America. You should try learning about an issue before you start knee jerk complaining and putting your foot in your mouth.
 
The biggest infrastructure needs are the power grid, water lines, aging bridges, etc. It would be sad to see politics diverting the funds away from the core needs.

We need a water grid. We dump water in the ocean on the east while the west suffers through drought. It’s a big project but it would transform America.
 
We laid highways through minority neighborhoods as policy for decades all across America for decades. You should try learning about an issue before you start knee jerk complaining and putting your foot in your mouth.

The minority areas tended to be closer suburbs to the cities that the highways served, and the land was less expensive than the affluent burbs. Most of those decisions were defensible.

My grandparents ended up next to an Interstate in the 60s for the same reason.
 
Back
Top