Manafort’s Guilty Plea

I really like like the idea of the choice of giving up all his assets and a lighter prison time.
Forfeiture of all assets might be a great deterrent to financial type crimes.


TreeFrogTrader said:
Mannafort should be pardoned or commuted for his federal crimes. I know they have state stuff on him but that is a different matter.

He may be guilty as hell but the discovery of his crimes are all "fruit of the poison tree" and the judge knows that and it is reflected in his sentencing. The government launched a bogus investigation against trump upon a bogus dossier and other made up evidence/allegations and then used that as a basis for investigating all of the business dealings of his associates. All of the investigations can be traces back to fbi/gps/dossier/fisa made up stories. Howz that prosecution of Carter Paige coming along? Oh, I see. It was never about Carter Paige, he was just a useful ruse to get a fisa warrant.

The prosecution tried to counter that by telling the judge that mannafort was on the justice departments radar screen before all of that. Bullshit. Yes and no but bullshit. Mannafort was looked at for various crimes when Mueller was FBI director but they found nothing that they could prosecute. But the reason the went back and did another investigation under comey is for political reasons flowing from the that whole fbi/fisa mess. If not for that, they would not have gone back again to look for crimes.

The judge did as best he could for Mannafort under the circumstances. He was the victim of a witch hunt. He committed crimes but the examination of them was set in motion for political reasons. The lefties argue that something is no longer a witch hunt if you find any crimes. Total crock. That is the very nature of a witch hunt. You have political reasons to look for crimes and you just keep going until you do.

Mannafort should have to forfeit all proceeds of illegal activities, which is multi-multi-millions, and then released. The government should not be rewarded for witch-hunting. The judge knows this and, again, his sentencing reflected it as best he could.
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TJustice said:
I really like like the idea of the choice of giving up all his assets and a lighter prison time.
Forfeiture of all assets might be a great deterrent to financial type crimes.
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So if he gives up his ill-gotten gains he gets a slap on the wrist? Oh, what a deterrent.
 
Spike Trader said:
Because Manafort turned an entire election to his(the judges)favor and the next appointment for him will be to the Supreme Court.
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Or a presidential pardon if the guy's on the take. They're handing out those things like candy, I hear. Maybe from a presidential Pez dispenser.
 
Frederick Foresight said:
So the guy who blatantly committed multiple counts of tax fraud and bank fraud gets less than 4 years, well below federal guidelines. I guess the perjury and witness tampering put Manafort in the judge's good graces.
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We don't really know where we are with his sentencing yet. The judge acknowledged that he is coordinating sentencing with the judge in the other court. So we dont know whether his sentencing time in the other court will be additive or concurrent or what.

But he will get less than you want to see and more than I want to see.

I can't remember whether he plead away his right to appeal. I doubt it because he did not get a deal. The government went full savage.

If he can appeal, the appeal court should throw all the cases out when the bogus fisa/mccabe type charges and government collusion are fully made known before long. The government concocted phony charges and dossier "facts", foisted a fraud upon the courts to get warrants and then just went after whatever they could get on anyone in Camp Trump. Americans fought a revolution to get away from that shit.
 
The honorable judge even delivered the NO COLLUSION verdict. This judge like Kavanah is going to get very very rich very soon.



Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Both the Judge and the lawyer in the Paul Manafort case stated loudly and for the world to hear that there was NO COLLUSION with Russia. But the Witch Hunt Hoax continues as you now add these statements to House & Senate Intelligence & Senator Burr. So bad for our Country!
 
Poindexter said:
At this point, it does not appear that Mueller has a collusion case against Trump associates. His indictments involving Russian hacking and troll farms do not suggest complicity by the Trump campaign. I also find it hard to believe Mueller sees Manafort as the key to making a case on Trump when Mueller has had [Richard] Gates — Manafort’s partner — as a cooperator for six months. You have to figure Gates knows whatever Manafort knows about collusion. Yet, since Gates began cooperating with the special counsel, Mueller has filed the charges against Russians that do not implicate Trump, and has transferred those cases to other Justice Department components.
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Or said another way. We have no knowledge [yet] of what Mueller has found about any direct communications or money exchanging hands between Russian hacking operatives and either those representing the Trump Campaign or Trump himself. At some point, those of us who are not dead will know if Mueller found anything. All we know at this point is that Trump's Campaign Chairman shared poll results prior to the election with a Russian Operative, but not necessarily a "hacking operative," and that a least one campaign person "love[d] it" when he heard of the prospect of Russians furnishing dirt on Trump's opponent.

What we can be 100% certain of [so far], however, is that Trump's family Run Organization is guilty of Running a Phoney Tax dodge called the Donald J. Trump Foundation, Money Laundering -- and it wasn't table clothes-- and running a phony "University". We are also 99% certain that Trump violated campaign finance law, as he was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in an indictment that resulted in the other conspirator pleading guilty. Did Trump also Obstruct Justice, in all probability , Yes! Can he be indicted and convicted for that. Maybe.*

All of this criminal activity, however, pales in comparison to Trump's incompetence and the dangers for the country resulting from Trump's apparent mental malady. That's the real issue left to our Congress and U.S. citizens to grapple with. The quicker "The Trump Issue" gets resolved, the better, as the damage gets worse with each passing day.

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*the foregoing accounting of the Trump related civil and criminal law violations, barely scratches the surface of Trump crimes. There is a vast panoply of crimes the Trump Crime Family, Trump Organization, or Trump personally is in all likelihood guilty of after a lifetime of continuous criminal activity. Mentioned specifically above is only a limited selection of known violations that his organization, family or he has already been found guilty of and paid restitution for, or else are currently in the Trump crime hopper waiting for final resolution.
 
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