Making JH' SCT and all his material alive

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4 part loop repeating: T >> IV >> P >> T

RDBMS: First P1 is always assigned, so might be NOT IV.

Update: It isn't part of drill 4, just mentioned as an overall principle. To get to T, you'd need DV.

For volume there are peaks and troughs to use. They are P1, P2 and P3 and T1, and
T2P and T2F. They follow an order of events. P is asigned and other P1's are larger than the assigned.

So, P is assigned or P1 is assigned ?


Hmmm.. I may be missing something.

I see Pt1 of the long channel on a volume peak, then on B2B volume creates a trough as price BO prior RTL after ftt, and when B2B ends to lead to dec 2R, therefore volume creates a peak.

If we say the volume OOE's loop is trough-> inc -> peak -> trough, does this mean we consider the beginning, on this example, of Dom M1 of the long channel, to be when the short channel is BO ?
I thought trends, fractals overlap and each beginning point of any trend is inside the prior one. And that's why (from my understanding) JH explained a trend has two ends and a middle, with that middle being the non-dom part of the segment, and being supported by a DV.

I feel I'm into the deep core now..

 

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So, P is assigned or P1 is assigned ?


Hmmm.. I may be missing something.

View attachment 198492

I see Pt1 of the long channel on a volume peak, then on B2B volume creates a trough as price BO prior RTL after ftt, and when B2B ends to lead to dec 2R, therefore volume creates a peak.

If we say the volume OOE's loop is trough-> inc -> peak -> trough, does this mean we consider the beginning, on this example, of Dom M1 of the long channel, to be when the short channel is BO ?
I thought trends, fractals overlap and each beginning point of any trend is inside the prior one. And that's why (from my understanding) JH explained a trend has two ends and a middle, with that middle being the non-dom part of the segment, and being supported by a DV.

I feel I'm into the deep core now..

Make a copy of this pic and cut it vertically between the b2b.
ie b >cut< b

Then overlay the right hand side unto the first pic as a continuation of trend.


Do the same for the short trend version of your original pic.

Now you have images of long and short trends that continue.

Now take the left hand side of the pics you cut and overlay them atop of the composite ‘continue’ trends you made. Slide it so that it can show at any point. That is change. Change can come at any time, that’s what makes it ‘change.’

Change can happen right after change, then that is continue from the larger fractal.

Change, change, change, etc... becomes congestion. This can happen on high volume or with lower volume which we see frequently presenting as laterals.


The pic of the idealized image will have moments where is doesn’t translate directly in observation. Sometimes there are random peaks and troughs of trapped traders on the wrong side of the market.

This is the difference in drawing gaussians vs rdbms. Rdbms captures and defines these to add clarity whereas these trapped traders can be confusing when drawing gaussians.


The text though is quite informative at times where overlap between trends are visually unclear.



As for the rdbms tables. Copy those by hand so that you mentally confront each element. Since you like to handdraw, use different colors. The tables colors do mean something and have associations so keep that part consistent.

It’ll be supportive to begin logging outside of RTH’s on past charts.

Make delayed time an ally.

 

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In this resides something crucial apparently :



trough -> increasing -> peak -> trough.

No mention of decreasing. Why so ? Why not better : increasing-> peak-> decreasing -> trough and so on ?

Any comment would be appreciated here.

Sure, that would be iterative refinement.

 

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So, P is assigned or P1 is assigned ?


Hmmm.. I may be missing something.

View attachment 198492

I see Pt1 of the long channel on a volume peak, then on B2B volume creates a trough as price BO prior RTL after ftt, and when B2B ends to lead to dec 2R, therefore volume creates a peak.

If we say the volume OOE's loop is trough-> inc -> peak -> trough, does this mean we consider the beginning, on this example, of Dom M1 of the long channel, to be when the short channel is BO ?
I thought trends, fractals overlap and each beginning point of any trend is inside the prior one. And that's why (from my understanding) JH explained a trend has two ends and a middle, with that middle being the non-dom part of the segment, and being supported by a DV.

I feel I'm into the deep core now..

The gaussian sequence is ... B2B 2R 2B. This is a complete gaussian sequence. Once complete, only 2 things can happen with gaussian...

1) cycle indefinitely, as in... 2R 2B 2R 2B etc ... new pt3/new pt2/new pt3/new pt2/etc UNTIL BO of RTL.
2) RTL BO

Cycling is NOT required, but is often the case. Once a gaussian is complete, RTL BO is on the table, cycling or not.

Break down a gaussian sequence B2B 2R 2B ...

B2B... Each "B" is a volume peak, with a, lets call it "unlabeled" trough in-between. In gaussian, the B2 portion of B2B is overlap.... In point terms, pt1(first B of B2B) is located in the "old" trend container, the unlabeled trough (the 2 of B2B) CAN BE in the old trend or the new but still undefined trend container, and pt2(second B of B2B) is located in the new trend container and creates the new LTL (which gives a best-guess-at-this-moment slope for RTL).

2R... pt3

2B... confirmation of pt3, completion of THIS gaussian sequence, begin cycling until or no cycling until RTL BO.

The final 2B in the gaussian is confirmation of a pt3. Another way of thinking about that is things like VE, FBO, fanning, and RTL BO can only occur AFTER a pt3 has been (properly) identified.


All of the above applies to both B2B and R2R gaussian sequences and cycling in the applicable rotation.

Something else I'll mention... while Jacks "clean" pages for gaussians are nice, they are hand-made. Unfortunately the market does not (usually) work in a "clean" fashion. IMO, Spydertraders journal does a much better job for understanding guassian in real-life market terms. For example I've attached a pic I created from posts in Spyders journal showing different gaussian fractals of the same day, trader's choice as to which is most appropriate trading fractal.

Keep up the good work!

 

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So, P is assigned or P1 is assigned ?


Hmmm.. I may be missing something.

View attachment 198492

I see Pt1 of the long channel on a volume peak, then on B2B volume creates a trough as price BO prior RTL after ftt, and when B2B ends to lead to dec 2R, therefore volume creates a peak.

If we say the volume OOE's loop is trough-> inc -> peak -> trough, does this mean we consider the beginning, on this example, of Dom M1 of the long channel, to be when the short channel is BO ?
I thought trends, fractals overlap and each beginning point of any trend is inside the prior one. And that's why (from my understanding) JH explained a trend has two ends and a middle, with that middle being the non-dom part of the segment, and being supported by a DV.

I feel I'm into the deep core now..

You are doing the work, and posing better questions than anyone here! So remember all that you have, and that you're actually able to reason about this. After that, it's all iterative refinement and you have lots and lots to build from. It may even go faster!

So, P is assigned or P1 is assigned ?​

P1 won't apply to gaussians. If you want to explore gaussians, I don't think RDBMS will be too helpful, so would be better to keep the two distinct.

P here is First P1 (P1 assign.). It is volume element "P1", and the other "P1" in OOE are same (repeat) or higher in volume, but at later bars.

P is asigned and other P1's are larger than the assigned
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• Pt1 is in price ONLY. Pt1 bar-bar may be at T, IV, P or DV. Pt2 >> Pt3 >> BO are in relation to Pt1. Pt1 is start of trend / container.

• P1/P is in the independent variable ONLY. OOE is always regarded bar-bar and when NOT WAIT. P1 may be T, IV, P or DV. Other P1's and OOE are in relation to First P1 + BM. First P1 (assigned) is start of new trend segment. BM+RTL will be visible in the price pane and BM gets assigned with first P1.

Best bet is to start OOE with P1 assigned, and do VTP from there. You have to work through it practically again and again. From VTP you find EE's. When something's amiss, you refine iteratively.
To begin, it may make sense to start on an obvious Pt1. At some point, you want to sync with price, so use FS in order to keep on the right side of the market at all times. You may want to fan, or not. FS is EE, and VTP also yields EEs, ending trend segments of RDBMS.

For differentiating T >> IV >> P >> (DV/T), probably best keep all 4 distinct, although Jack didn't differentiate T and DV in this text.. Sometimes such things are clues, othertimes types, or trolling!
Maybe doing drills/study on the 4 volume types will be helpful for exploring gaussians.

 

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The gaussian sequence is ... B2B 2R 2B. This is a complete gaussian sequence. Once complete, only 2 things can happen with gaussian...

1) cycle indefinitely, as in... 2R 2B 2R 2B etc ... new pt3/new pt2/new pt3/new pt2/etc UNTIL BO of RTL.
2) RTL BO

Cycling is NOT required, but is often the case. Once a gaussian is complete, RTL BO is on the table, cycling or not.

Break down a gaussian sequence B2B 2R 2B ...

B2B... Each "B" is a volume peak, with a, lets call it "unlabeled" trough in-between. In gaussian, the B2 portion of B2B is overlap.... In point terms, pt1(first B of B2B) is located in the "old" trend container, the unlabeled trough (the 2 of B2B) CAN BE in the old trend or the new but still undefined trend container, and pt2(second B of B2B) is located in the new trend container and creates the new LTL (which gives a best-guess-at-this-moment slope for RTL).

2R... pt3

2B... confirmation of pt3, completion of THIS gaussian sequence, begin cycling until or no cycling until RTL BO.

The final 2B in the gaussian is confirmation of a pt3. Another way of thinking about that is things like VE, FBO, fanning, and RTL BO can only occur AFTER a pt3 has been (properly) identified.


All of the above applies to both B2B and R2R gaussian sequences and cycling in the applicable rotation.

Something else I'll mention... while Jacks "clean" pages for gaussians are nice, they are hand-made. Unfortunately the market does not (usually) work in a "clean" fashion. IMO, Spydertraders journal does a much better job for understanding guassian in real-life market terms. For example I've attached a pic I created from posts in Spyders journal showing different gaussian fractals of the same day, trader's choice as to which is most appropriate trading fractal.

Keep up the good work!

Great image of evolving gaussians !

 

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Pt1 is in price ONLY.

BUT/AND...

pt1 (in container) has specific volume requirement, which directly coincides to gaussian sequencing. Additionally, if one is completely stringent, gaussians will "match up" to containers. Again, container points have specific volume requirements. Many times debriefing is where correct gaussian construction is attained, although real-time analysis produced profits despite container and/or gaussian errors.

As containers progress, a useful tip for gaussians (and therefore containers), is to ask... "is price moving towards or away from what I expect?" This is different than using the independent variable only! In relation to gaussians (and therefore containers), sections in the attachment in my previous post contain places where "is price moving towards or away from what I expect?" and how the answer can be used alongside the independent variable.

 

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BUT/AND...

pt1 (in container) has specific volume requirement, which directly coincides to gaussian sequencing. Additionally, if one is completely stringent, gaussians will "match up" to containers. Again, container points have specific volume requirements. Many times debriefing is where correct gaussian construction is attained, although real-time analysis produced profits despite container and/or gaussian errors.

As containers progress, a useful tip for gaussians (and therefore containers), is to ask... "is price moving towards or away from what I expect?" This is different than using the independent variable only! In relation to gaussians (and therefore containers), sections in the attachment in my previous post contain places where "is price moving towards or away from what I expect?" and how the answer can be used alongside the independent variable.

Interesting. Will this map well to T - Iv - P - T. Will change be at 2b and 2r after b and r, at/after t, or is focus on finding ftt, or both.

 

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Interesting. Will this map well to T - Iv - P - T. Will change be at 2b and 2r after b and r, at/after t, or is focus on finding ftt, or both.

You lost me, sorry.

T-IV-P-T = DV-IV-DV to me.

 

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You lost me, sorry.

T-IV-P-T = DV-IV-DV to me.

ok, DV IV DV. So dv would be @ RTL BO and pt3 for gaussians, if I understand correctly.