The corresponding volume bars have that color. Look it up!Weren't you talking about volume color ?

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The corresponding volume bars have that color. Look it up!Weren't you talking about volume color ?

With that said, let me tell you my current work is a fantastic one, I mean it's fantastic to work on this. I feel, inspite of all I said above, comfortable with it, cause I see it as a finite way of a huge universe of complex possibilities. I love that. And there is so much beauty in this, that sometimes I makes me want to almost cry a bit. Yes I said that, and I assume it totally, as it is really beautiful.
- Can we convert "is faster information" into "takes precedence" ? or I miss what you say ?
- When you say the form sentiment (lets say we talk about a 2 PCs combo so 3 bars most of time), what do you mean ?
-> the sentiment described by the gap between the open of 1st bar and the close of 3rd bar, whatever the form it describes ?
-> the nature of the slope(s) described by the form (short/long) ?
-> something else ?
- and to finish, let's separate your "what path price "must"' be taken, in order to discover OOE" in two parts and clarify the intermmediate one. To study what price path must be taken...for what ? I mean, when you say price path, immediately I see :
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Or enlarged :
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Could you please clarify or maybe simply reformulate and develop a bit with your words what you mean here ?
I feel there's something decisive in what you say. Thank you very much for your contribution
OMG, guys! Page after page after page... Profitable trading is so much easier than all this nonsense. I know everybody has to find their own way but jeez. The legacy of JH may very well be...insanity.
Good luck and good trading

Here is the first third of the Master Copy Matrix.
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I stopped it at sequence 3. and so, cause I saw new things appeared.
First of all, and that's all the matter, in fact, I noticed that from the beginning, I arbitrary affected sentiments to the first two price bars, got the form of it, and then added the 3rd bar, to continue the drill you told me about @Sprout . When I began the sequence 3. so by 31 case I said to myself : "well, the third bar is either gonna form a LAT form, or a kind of "long BO". Then inside the LAT form and the BO form, the trend can either FAN or ACC, and in FAN case, the close of the third bar depending on its sent, can either be under prior RTL/ between RTL and 1st bar's high/ above 1st bar high.".
From there, some cases appeared as seen on the image. And from there, surged in my mind : "but what about the sent and then the open and close of bars 1 and 2 ?".
Then I drew this :
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That is an example of a continous short sentiment on a continous long form (XB). If we consider one little square on my sheet as the most little tick the bar can vary of, the we can see that bar 1 is 6 ticks in volatility, and so are the next 4. And then let's fix each bar will have 1 tick between its Open and Close.
Then if we want to see a continous short sentiment along the next bars while conserving an XB form, then the number of bars on which we'll be able to observe that is determined by...the number of ticks between bar 1's high and the low of the bar where this context will become impossible on. The bar where it becomes impossible to continue to see short sent on XBs, is the third bar after the first one. That's because there were 3 ticks in volatility between bar 1 and bar 4. After bar 3, it's impossible to see short sent and XB on the third bar, only a DOJI or then we will either have StB/OB formed by bar3+bar4. So, the repetition of XB with short sent is broken.
Why did I do that, and what does it help me for ?
-> From there, some cases appeared as seen on the image. And from there, surged in my mind : "but what about the sent and then the open and close of bars 1 and 2 ?".
It turns out that in function of, in my matrix, which sent was affected to the first two bars and where both Open/Close were affected on each bar, the third bar sees its "possible surge in form and nuances in ubication of O/C compared to prior RTL" considerably reduced or even sometimes cancelled.
So, @Sprout , the question is : do you think, as I do a bit now, that I should begin again my matrix affecting all the sentiment permutations to not only the 3rd bar, but also to the first two ones ?
It would be then (L for long, S for short) that for any price case combo : LLL/ LLS/LSL/LSS/SSS/SSL/SLS/SLL.
I understand the matter of that drill is to establish the possible ubications of O/C of the third bar compared to the prior RTL. But once this is established, there are also nuances that can appear. And this fact, came into my perception with the "continous short sent on a continous long form".
As I was on the 31 case, I was establishing the possible forms it could have. The result is that it can either create a Lat, or a "long BO". Once this established, this following example made what I said previously as for O/C and sents of the first two bars jump at me :
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That is not an exhaustive comment, but on the first case of the page (so long sent on 3rd bar with close below the two prior RTLs) we can clearly see that the whole sent of the three bars is long. And by looking a bit closer and precisely, we can see it by noticing ....that the open of bar 1 is below bar 3's close. Meanwhile, the form clearly shows a short trend. This is what led me to the "continous short sent on a continous long form".
So what came to my mind is that, the open and close of bar 1 and 2 matter as much as the third bar's.
So, to reformulate my question : am I seeing to far beyond where I am at the moment ?
To synthetize, when form says something and the sentiment contradicts it, the context will make us decide if either the form/the sent takes precedence....and this reminds me your last comments
By the way, here are the quoting I wanted to use to ubicate the infos of your last post, that I see fuzzy the most.
congruent with the form -> which form are you precisely talking about ? the most actual, so XR or the prior one so XB ? As I see things, logically the congruent sentiment with an XB form is Long, and the congruent sent with an XR form is short; but this is maybe where I start bad.
We're in the 13 = XB/SYM case. When I said there there can be "ACC", as always from the beginning on the stuff I'm currently doing, I was talking about the form, the vector, the degree of inclination of the trendline. I don't get how volume can validate or invalidate the fact that a trendline made up by two highs/lows of 2 price bars is more or less sloped ? I may be missing what you say. Can you clarify please ?
Several months ago you told me "you're a bit of perfectionnist". You were right. When you sey here " if the sentiment XO a [...] RTL". Are you talking a bout one of the legs of the bar ? or the close ? I mean, the sent is, for me, the nature of the gap between O/C, so either the unique leg of the bar, or leg 2. Once again, could you clarify please with a bit more of precision as for the term ?
NB : I also noticed, beyond and in addition to the ubication of O/C of bars 1 and 2 in my master copy matrix of 3 bars in a row, that the number of legs also counts and says a LOT. It makes some "next steps" possible or not in function of how it began. As always, future precedes the present and the past.
It took me a nice while to realize I had not understood what you meant here. Sometimes, I feel stupid... I get you now, and am currently building that master copy that I'll photocop.
Hope you're doing well, wish you the best Aha's in your new sphere![]()
I tmakes sense and helps, yes, thank you very much. Although i'm confused with your gaussians, the text you wrote about Lats is providing some susbtance. Thank you for that
Holly YES you can !Feel free to interact as often as you want in the subject, any participation constitutes in itself a huge help. Now for volume color, of you talk about the fact I put INC in green and not black, its because of my background color. If I put it in light or close to white, it kills my eyes that have already lost some of their capacity along thousands of hours in front of the computer.. but, does it change something ? if yes, what please ? cause i wanna do things how they need to be.
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ok got you, thank youThe corresponding volume bars have that color. Look it up!![]()

Those images are the bar formation’s path of least resistance.
There is also it’s opposite - the path of greater volatility.
I think you could trust yourself more, be kinder to yourself and acknowledge your due diligence and perseverance as extraordinary.
Make sure you incorporate looking at faraway objects at regular intervals. Being in the forest helps. Be kind to your eyes!

Drill 4 also introduces a concept (principle that we will adopt for many other principles we will find and define. IF you look at the four names of the triads, you see they form a loop in a sequence. Starting anywhere the order is: though>>increasing>>> peak>>>>trough. A four part loop. I will use the words "Order of Events" (OOE) to characterize the sequencing of patterns.
In this resides something crucial apparently :
trough -> increasing -> peak -> trough.
No mention of decreasing. Why so ? Why not better : increasing-> peak-> decreasing -> trough and so on ?
Any comment would be appreciated here.
So let us go through building the pattern logically and deductively.
Lets work on the middle of the trend between the two ends.
1, Focus on price moving from point 2 to point 3. Add to this the volume decreasing set of bars. You get this deduction by reasoning that the non dominant move requires less and less participation to be NOT making any forward trend progress.
2. Conclude that point 2 of price is a peak point of volume It is from this peak that volume is declining. It is not the initial peak since the trend has been under way since point 1 of price.
3. Tentatively conclude that we can name the volume peak peak 2 and give it an ID of P2.
4. At the end of volume's decrease price comes to a trough. By reasoning we find this is in an order of events.. If P2 comes before this trough, we could name the trough, T2.
5. On the price display we have gone in a nondominant manner across from left to right. We also arrive at a volume trough named T2. This price place is labelled point 3. On charts they are vertically aligned on separate display panes.
6. This is defined as a retrace. To express the retrace specificaly and uniquely is NOT difficult. When you can do this, then you NEVER confuse a retrace with a reversal.
We have looked at a part of the middle of a trend. All that is left to ddo is go through the remaing parts and explain how price and volume relate. I have made the first connection and now four items in two pairs are explicitly defined. Soon All the volume independent variable terms will be presnt for everyone to use.
By ding this work assignment you will come to know volume leads price. Thiss is deduced once you have assigned the P and V the correct mathematical variable classification.
For one trend, price hase three moves between four points and volume has four elements where two are moves and two are points.
Points just take a moment and are extremes
Moves involve durations and durations contain bars.
The above information is sufficient to merger price and volume into a cyclic pattern of two complete opposite trends.
At this point all of the lelements of the system of operation of the markets are defined.