Making JH' SCT and all his material alive

[WchPl]

@Sprout , I have no words to express how much I understand NOW the importance, the needness and the utility of the 900's Matrix......... Thank you !!!!!!!!!

I'll have to do it again, and to complete it 100%. No other way

 

[WchPl]

Using a different, almost opposite viewpoint, think about a pt3, which is necessary for RTL, and RTL is necessary for a BO of an RTL....

What does volume do as it forms a pt3, new pt3, or approaches a known RTL?

It passes from decreasing to increasing.

What does volume do to CONFIRM a pt3 or new pt3?

Here begins the moment when I know that I don't know, so with the risk of being totally out cause I do not see the difference bewteen "what does volume do" and "what does volume do to CONFIRM" : I'd say, to CONFIRM, volume changes of color.

What does price do on the confirm?

It reverses

How is this different from a BO of an RTL?

Now and forever, and I don't see any difference bewteen the two... it does help a lot @tiddlywinks

 

[tiddlywinks]

To create a pt2, which is a BO by nature, volume must do a R2R or a B2B. Each journey from pt1 to pt2 is on a R2R/B2B volume move.

No. Volume increases when forming or approaching a point 2. Point 2 is the second portion of B2B or R2R. Point 2 is the 2B or 2R portion only. The full B2B or R2R involves 2 price moves, pt1->pt2, and is comprised of 3 volume moves, IV(B/R) -> DV(2) -> IV(B/R). THAT is a breakout of an RTL. Point 2's do not breakout! Point 2's are in the dominant direction of the trend and may exhibit VE. VE is not a breakout beginning a new trend in the opposite direction.

>> Q. What does volume do as it forms a pt3, new pt3, or approaches a known RTL?
>> A. It passes from decreasing to increasing.

No. Volume is DV when creating/moving towards a point 3. Point 1 and point 3 make an RTL.


>> Q. What does volume do to CONFIRM a pt3 or new pt3?
>> A. Here begins the moment when I know that I don't know, so with the risk of being totally out cause I do not see the difference bewteen "what does volume do" and "what does volume do to CONFIRM" : I'd say, to CONFIRM, volume changes of color.

If DV is required for a point 3, then IV confirms a point 3.

>> Q. What does price do on the confirm?
>> A. It reverses

IV will either cause price to continue in the dominant direction, or IV will cause the BO of the RTL, and form a point 2 of the new trend.

>> Q. How is this different from a BO of an RTL?
>> A. Now and forever, and I don't see any difference bewteen the two.

If you can not understand the difference between IV and the associated IV/price movement that follows a point 3, you will have a very difficult time IN REAL TIME creating correct geometry, and Id'ing FTT. Of critical importance here... FTT, FBO, BO, Fanning, VE, and other elements only occur AFTER point 3 has been identified.

Happy Holidays.

 

[WchPl]

You were right, language produces confusion... I really misunderstood you in the questions you asked. Thank you a lot for that last post, I'm studying it right now.

 

[WchPl]

So here it would be :

bar1 : StitchRed, DV
bar 2 : XB, IV, pt1 appears
bar 3 : XB, DV, Volume confirms Pt1 appeared, searching now for a point 2, volume must increase
bar 4 : XB, DV, waiting for Vol to increase
bar 5 : XB, Volume increases, pt2 is gonna happen (open short in advance ? ^^)
bar 6 : XB, DV, Vol confirms Pt2 has appeared
bar 7 : FTP, DV, WAIT
bar 8 : XR, DV, searching for a pt3, Volume must increase
bar 9 : OB, DV, waiting for volume to increase (holding the short order ?^^)
bar 10 : XR, DV, holding on, waiting for volume to increase to confirm pt3.
bar 11 : XR, Volume increases and confirms then pt3 has appeared.

We have at bar 11 two contradictory combined tapes = 1 Fast Fractal appears at 10:25.



How's it like ?

 

[NeedToLearn]

I was wondering, FTTs happen on increasing volume but fail to traverse to the left trend line. BOs also happen on increasing volume. Therefore, FBOs must also happen on increasing volume yes? Otherwise, wouldn't it just be decrease in volatility and time for fanning the RTL?

Would you say that FTT and FBO are similar in nature? Wouldn't FBO be a FTT on a smaller fractal?


Another question. When two trends are overlapping, do you draw channels both ways and sort of form a SYM with RTL? I feel like I see a lot of FBOs and some back and forth smacking action as the two RTL merges, and then either breakout in one way, or attempt to breakout both ways then forms a lateral or just sorta settle near for awhile.


Lastly, for RDBMS, do you actually expect and know that sometimes the segment will likely only give a P1 and/or T1 before reversing? It would appear that sometimes FS activates frequently enough to feel like P1s and T1s are all I get.

 

[tiddlywinks]

Not sure who questions are directed to. I'll try to answer, with the caveat that I am not a purist in many regards, although in the foundation I try to be. IOW, I am a rogue practitioner. I use this stuff daily, and I know the whats and hows that work for me.

Therefore, FBOs must also happen on increasing volume yes?

Yes and no. Spyder (and JH) use a crossing (Spyder also uses bar close) of the RTL as a trigger. Non-UL Internals do not count and require fanning. This internals usage is also applicable to RDBMS/FS-BOT1. It is one of 2 qualifiers for FS-BOT1.

Some may argue with inclusion of JH here... but if you think about the various geometric trade methods JH introduced, and the RULES for FTT trading, FTT to FTT = Reverse, FTT to FBO = Exit, FTT to BO = Hold, you will see the appropriateness.

Would you say that FTT and FBO are similar in nature? Wouldn't FBO be a FTT on a smaller fractal?

When you consider the fractal inside a fractal inside a fractal etc nature of the geometry, all points and elements correspond to something on a different fractal. See clean-6.jpg found elsewhere.

do you draw channels both ways

Personal choice. I usually use a presumed RTL. As price develops, or fails to develope, I'll add LTL.

It would appear that sometimes FS activates frequently enough to feel like P1s and T1s are all I get.

I do not use FS as it is prescribed. With that I will say, per JH, BOT1 is an earlybird to BMREV. SOMETIMES the earlybird gets the worm. BOT1 and BMREV are n-1 of themselves and/or of each other dependent on turn-type. It can become a fishing expedition IMO.

HTH

 

[Sprout]

To create a pt2, which is a BO by nature, volume must do a R2R or a B2B. Each journey from pt1 to pt2 is on a R2R/B2B volume move.


But here is an example where I do not see this applying...or better I'd say where I start to know that I don't know anymore.

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As you can see, on bar 5, price shows XR for the first time after 3 XBs in a row. Pt2's' tape made with bar 4 and 5 is outside previous RTL established by previous tape. But, volume is still decreasing. In my mind I hear here : must I include this bar 5 inside the previous combined long tape that began with bar 1 ? And so must I fan that long combined tape ?

With all the work on the gaussians I've done along the last 2 weeks, I feel like the answer could be : at this time, volume sequence has not done what it must do to make appear on price pane what is just happening.

The way I'm beginning to see it is that : just after that moment where I begin to know that I don't know anymore, I see volume increasing. Volume had to increase. It has increased at bar 6. So, maybe the key here is to say : I see price doing something that needs certain volume sequence that is not happening. So, if I want to declare "there's a long fast fractal", volume MUST increase when RTL crosses prior one. So I would get 2 opposite combined (or not) tapes, creating a first FF.
I'm thinking logically on : is the answer market gives me here :"fan until volume increases and completes it sequence, and there declare FF appears on bar 6, as volume shows "with delay" what he HAD to ?
Or is it : to declare a FF appears, volume MUST increase ON that moment where RTL crosses prior one established, so at that moment where a tape crosses with its point 2 the prior RTL, and contradicts it ? And so, if volume increases after, like it's the case here in my example, let's just fan cause if volume does not increase, one must fan and include that tape made here by bar4 and 5..

That's a crucial point cause from here begin problems on P1 when doing VTP for example, and MANY MANY other things depend on this. In fact....almost everything is there.


I've reread the documents Bar-by-bar and the Spyder's Channel Construction PDF doc, thanks a lot for putting those docs back into light. They have constitued a concrete help, as it takes me to my deepest in-comprehensions.
But the point I exposed above, is the one i'm stuck on.


Keeping the work...

When you get to a point where you don't know, look to expand the context to look where you haven't looked before.

With your example, by including the previous carryover presents an opportunity to expand awareness. The B2B straddled the previous close to this particular day's open and the opening bar is the first pt2 that XO's the previous RTL short. The high of the opening bar although presenting high volume isn't as great as the volume of the Dominant traverse short from the previous day thus is anticipated as the non-Dom traverse. The previous day also supports seeing the larger channel that straddles both days which makes this non-Dom traverse long clearer.

 

[Sprout]

When you get to a point where you don't know, look to expand the context to look where you haven't looked before.

With your example, by including the previous carryover presents an opportunity to expand awareness. The B2B straddled the previous close to this particular day's open and the opening bar is the first pt2 that XO's the previous RTL short. The high of the opening bar although presenting high volume isn't as great as the volume of the Dominant traverse short from the previous day thus is anticipated as the non-Dom traverse. The previous day also supports seeing the larger channel that straddles both days which makes this non-Dom traverse long clearer.


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[Sprout]

Logs for the above,...

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