Making JH' SCT and all his material alive

Sprout said:
Expand your range of bars to include at least one more Set C trend. (b2b2r2b, r2r2b2r). You can do this by making 6 volume elements per trend. You are still quite attached to the b2b2r2b, r2r2b2r notation.

The black/red T2F placement is inaccurate. Better to use P3P where you are using T2F. T2F is a zooming in of a faster fractal. Understand why this is so.

The 2 in B2B and R2R lines up with the XO of the RTL. Place those above the volume bars a bit so that the space is clutter free for the placement of volume elements.

The P2 and T2P in blue do not exist on the 5m. Maybe in another timeframe - depends on the time slicing and whether those occur intrabar on the slower timeframe.
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- Concerning the 6 volume elements : I DD they are P1, T1, P2, T2P, T2F and P3P.

T2P is T2 pass. I understand this as the T2 passes, so there IS a T2. A second trough in other words.
I was struggling a lot to understand what P3P means concretely. Like it took me long to just notive in the MR nomenclature there's reversal, it took me long to notice the similarity between T2P and P3P. Surely, being as T2P is T2 pass, then P3P must be P3 pass. So there IS a third peak.
A bit of thought and DD :
- what is a P in independant variable terms ? -> a peak
- what is a T in independant variable terms ? -> a trough
- what is a peak ? -> the end of an increasing move
- what is a trough ? -> the end of a decreasing move
- in VTP terms, what is a P ? -> an increasing move compared to the one before
- in VTP terms, what is a T ? -> a decreasing move compared to the one before
- what comes before a peak ? -> an increasing move
- what comes before a trough ? -> a decreasing move
- what comes after a peak ? -> a decreasing move
- what comes after a trough ? -> an increasing move
- so, what does announce a trough ? -> an increasing move coming
- so, what does announce a peak ? -> a decreasing move coming.
- so what is the meaning of a T2P ? -> there is a second trough
- what does the surge of a second trough imply . -> there has been a first
- which was it ? -> T1
- what does the surge of T1 imply ? -> the presence of a P1 before
- what does a P1 surge imply ? -> a new trend begins
- what does the begnning of a new trend imply ? -> there is a change in dominance of PA.
- in PA terms, what does a P1 mean ? -> a pt1 appears
- when does a pt2 appears ? -> when there is a P2.
- if we have a T2P, is there a P2 ?-> yes, it must.
- if there is a P2, is there a T1 ? -> yes, it must
- what does the suge of T1 mean in P1 terms ? -> the trend can break out on T1
- what does a BO,T1, if happens, mean ? -> the dominance has changed
- when at pt2, on P2, what must volume do lead to a pt3 ? -> decrease
- what does volume do at P2/pt2 ? -> it stops increasing
- when pt3 is there, what must volume do ? -> stop decreasing
- what does volume do when it stops decreasing and begins to increase ? -> a trough
- if this trough is the second one, how do we call it ? -> a T2P
- then, when at pt3/T2P, if PA is back to dominance, what must volume do ? -> increase
- what will volume do when after pt3, there is an ftt ? -> stop increasing.
- what does volume do when it stops increasing ? -> a peak
- at this stage, which P is it ? -> the third one
- so how do we call it ? -> P3P
- so, If P3P is P3 pass like T2P is T2 pass, what is F for P3F and T2F ? -> a Fail to pass
- what does T2F imply ? -> the absence of a second trough.
- when can a trough appear ? -> when volume stops decreasing
- if the trough fails to pass, what must this mean ? -> there is no trough
- what does the absence of a trough mean ? -> volume keeps on decreasing.
- what must volume do from pt3 to ftt in any trend ? -> increase
- what does this mean if in an increasing move of volume, volume keeps on decreasing ? - > this absence of trough = T2F is inside the observed fractal.

I assume, for now, I understand why T2f is in faster fractal. It is an unvisible decreasing move inside a increasing trend of volume, viewable when zooming in.

So, in terms of place in the space, zone-placement, T2F happens on the road from T2P to P3P.

All this reminds me your "to see how every fractal completes, one need to go beyond a single timeframe". Not sure about the precision of the words, but i'm sure you'll remember.

- concerning the b2b2r2b notation

I just wanted to try to incorporate many notations and sync them. It's been a while I even just "think" about gaussians.

The rest of the post with what I said in my first paragraph of DDs, seems clear to me now.


And therefore :
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NB : the only thing I'm unsure and that I feel do need to think about, is the legend in the up-left corner : FFF level, FF, level, TF level.
When I built the chart, at first, I was thinking about the thinest lines as being FF level, and the thickest blue lines as being the SF's.
I'm not sure for now which is true. I need to think about it.
The last DDs I just made should help me.
 
Sprout said:
The lateral with unmeasurable bars is squished, check.
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First of all, I just forgot to squish... like recently I began to forget one more time to annotate with unparallel lines the StB/StR and with translucent tls the OBs.


Sprout said:
A 4bar context is there with the bar after P2 either being a repeat (bandpass), a Lvbo or a hvbo, check.
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Sprout said:
If you look in post #122 of MSoO, he describes the context of "four bar" and puts on the table that sometimes T2P is prevented from occurring yet the context is still established. This is why I would go with Aa HVBO.
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I did an error while copying the EE descriptions from JH :

original :
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my copy :

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What clears it up, thank you for pointing out post #122 of MSO thread :

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Let's go back to my chart and see how to deal with that Aa you see.
 

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WchPl said:
- Concerning the 6 volume elements : I DD they are P1, T1, P2, T2P, T2F and P3P.

T2P is T2 pass. I understand this as the T2 passes, so there IS a T2. A second trough in other words.
I was struggling a lot to understand what P3P means concretely. Like it took me long to just notive in the MR nomenclature there's reversal, it took me long to notice the similarity between T2P and P3P. Surely, being as T2P is T2 pass, then P3P must be P3 pass. So there IS a third peak.
A bit of thought and DD :
- what is a P in independant variable terms ? -> a peak
- what is a T in independant variable terms ? -> a trough
- what is a peak ? -> the end of an increasing move
- what is a trough ? -> the end of a decreasing move
- in VTP terms, what is a P ? -> an increasing move compared to the one before
- in VTP terms, what is a T ? -> a decreasing move compared to the one before
- what comes before a peak ? -> an increasing move
- what comes before a trough ? -> a decreasing move
- what comes after a peak ? -> a decreasing move
- what comes after a trough ? -> an increasing move
- so, what does announce a trough ? -> an increasing move coming
- so, what does announce a peak ? -> a decreasing move coming.
- so what is the meaning of a T2P ? -> there is a second trough
- what does the surge of a second trough imply . -> there has been a first
- which was it ? -> T1
- what does the surge of T1 imply ? -> the presence of a P1 before
- what does a P1 surge imply ? -> a new trend begins
- what does the begnning of a new trend imply ? -> there is a change in dominance of PA.
- in PA terms, what does a P1 mean ? -> a pt1 appears
- when does a pt2 appears ? -> when there is a P2.
- if we have a T2P, is there a P2 ?-> yes, it must.
- if there is a P2, is there a T1 ? -> yes, it must
- what does the suge of T1 mean in P1 terms ? -> the trend can break out on T1
- what does a BO,T1, if happens, mean ? -> the dominance has changed
- when at pt2, on P2, what must volume do lead to a pt3 ? -> decrease
- what does volume do at P2/pt2 ? -> it stops increasing
- when pt3 is there, what must volume do ? -> stop decreasing
- what does volume do when it stops decreasing and begins to increase ? -> a trough
- if this trough is the second one, how do we call it ? -> a T2P
- then, when at pt3/T2P, if PA is back to dominance, what must volume do ? -> increase
- what will volume do when after pt3, there is an ftt ? -> stop increasing.
- what does volume do when it stops increasing ? -> a peak
- at this stage, which P is it ? -> the third one
- so how do we call it ? -> P3P
- so, If P3P is P3 pass like T2P is T2 pass, what is F for P3F and T2F ? -> a Fail to pass
- what does T2F imply ? -> the absence of a second trough.
- when can a trough appear ? -> when volume stops decreasing
- if the trough fails to pass, what must this mean ? -> there is no trough
- what does the absence of a trough mean ? -> volume keeps on decreasing.
- what must volume do from pt3 to ftt in any trend ? -> increase
- what does this mean if in an increasing move of volume, volume keeps on decreasing ? - > this absence of trough = T2F is inside the observed fractal.

I assume, for now, I understand why T2f is in faster fractal. It is an unvisible decreasing move inside a increasing trend of volume, viewable when zooming in.

So, in terms of place in the space, zone-placement, T2F happens on the road from T2P to P3P.

All this reminds me your "to see how every fractal completes, one need to go beyond a single timeframe". Not sure about the precision of the words, but i'm sure you'll remember.

- concerning the b2b2r2b notation

I just wanted to try to incorporate many notations and sync them. It's been a while I even just "think" about gaussians.

The rest of the post with what I said in my first paragraph of DDs, seems clear to me now.


And therefore :
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NB : the only thing I'm unsure and that I feel do need to think about, is the legend in the up-left corner : FFF level, FF, level, TF level.
When I built the chart, at first, I was thinking about the thinest lines as being FF level, and the thickest blue lines as being the SF's.
I'm not sure for now which is true. I need to think about it.
The last DDs I just made should help me.
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Just let the gaussians go and just make your trends 5 volume bars long. P1-T1-P2-T2-P3.
The end of one trend is the beginning of the next.

T2F is not increasing volume compared to T2P. Unless you understand this use - 5 bar trend. If you do understand this then use a 6 bar trend.
 
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"A-band comes when the parallelogram is formed. Since volme is in bars, I named this context as "four bar". The sequence to four bar is : P1 to T1 to P2 to T2P. On a parallelogram it is pt1 to BO of RTL to pt2 to pt3. A-band's EE's are found in a four bar context". If the T2P is prevented from occuring, the context is still established pragmatically. Volum A-band is there in place. It has three zones. [...] There are 8 EEs that can appear. 7 are in the above zone (Aa, Ac, Ad, Ae, Af, Ag and Ah) and 1 is below (Ab)."
-JH

Clearly, it is stated here that it is possible to see an absence of T2P, but we are to consider the context of "the four bars" (which requires T2P) is present.

So I simply think we are just to do that : consider that when P2 is there, the context for T2P is established. If between P1 and P2 there was a wait AND P2 is below leftmost P1 AND the next bar is above P2 which is under p1, we have an Aa HVBO.

I don't understand what makes possible this to happen, being as it is clearly defined that to have an Aa we need a four bar context. CONTEXT. So what I see is that there's something tricky in the fact that a "four bar" is not a "four bar context". A four bar context must be P1 to T1 to P2. Whereas a four bar is requires the presence of T2P. If it was this, I would understand.
BUT
The thing is that in the MSO thread it is clearly said that, to get an Aa a four bar gets built. Not a four bar context.
So, I don't understand for now, and find myself obliged to accept there is an Aa on bar 6. Maybe further scenarios will give me more clarity, but for now, it's dark.

I'm used now to remember that as soon as I see something you don't or when you see something I don't, it deals with differenciation. In other words, technically, it is because I'm not looking at the right place AND/OR I'm not looking with the appropriate lense.
Right now, I don't know where can I look at else, nor with which lense.

I'll continue to refine my chart, accepting and putting Aa on bar 6 and see it later. I think it's better not to dwell on it.
 
WchPl said:
"A-band comes when the parallelogram is formed. Since volme is in bars, I named this context as "four bar". The sequence to four bar is : P1 to T1 to P2 to T2P. On a parallelogram it is pt1 to BO of RTL to pt2 to pt3. A-band's EE's are found in a four bar context". If the T2P is prevented from occuring, the context is still established pragmatically. Volum A-band is there in place. It has three zones. [...] There are 8 EEs that can appear. 7 are in the above zone (Aa, Ac, Ad, Ae, Af, Ag and Ah) and 1 is below (Ab)."
-JH

Clearly, it is stated here that it is possible to see an absence of T2P, but we are to consider the context of "the four bars" (which requires T2P) is present.

So I simply think we are just to do that : consider that when P2 is there, the context for T2P is established. If between P1 and P2 there was a wait AND P2 is below leftmost P1 AND the next bar is above P2 which is under p1, we have an Aa HVBO.

I don't understand what makes possible this to happen, being as it is clearly defined that to have an Aa we need a four bar context. CONTEXT. So what I see is that there's something tricky in the fact that a "four bar" is not a "four bar context". A four bar context must be P1 to T1 to P2. Whereas a four bar is requires the presence of T2P. If it was this, I would understand.
BUT
The thing is that in the MSO thread it is clearly said that, to get an Aa a four bar gets built. Not a four bar context.
So, I don't understand for now, and find myself obliged to accept there is an Aa on bar 6. Maybe further scenarios will give me more clarity, but for now, it's dark.

I'm used now to remember that as soon as I see something you don't or when you see something I don't, it deals with differenciation. In other words, technically, it is because I'm not looking at the right place AND/OR I'm not looking with the appropriate lense.
Right now, I don't know where can I look at else, nor with which lense.

I'll continue to refine my chart, accepting and putting Aa on bar 6 and see it later. I think it's better not to dwell on it.
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Look at all the A band EE’s. The EE is the fourth bar in the A band (measurable) context. The EE is what prevents the T2P from occurring. The fourth bar either is a bandpass, a Lvbo or a hvbo.

T2P is essentially an A band bandpass by it’s presence and it initiates the B band.
 
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Sprout said:
Just let the gaussians go and just make your trends 5 volume bars long. P1-T1-P2-T2-P3.
The end of one trend is the beginning of the next.

T2F is not increasing volume compared to T2P. Unless you understand this use - 5 bar trend. If you do understand this then use a 6 bar trend.
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Not sure if this is what you expected, or if the idea was to make appear the volume elements between each pt1/pt2 and pt2/pt3 and pt3/ftt

let the gaussians go.png


Edit : I just noticed you edited your last post
 
Your recent edits on your last posts provide clarity. thanks a lot.

WchPl said:
Edit : I rebuild it now from scratch
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That's how I'd say the beginning. It's harder than I thought, so it's good to do it.

I have a doubt about the bar 7's global labelisation.

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I need a break, my brain is melting.. all this is fantastic, beautiful, complex, and I feel I'm gonna be able to achieve it, but right now...uufff.. a lot of things merging in mind, disorganizing to re-organizing themselves... a bit overwhelmed.
I've been working since 11am, it's exactly 5am.
Break time.

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can't wait to be back at this. Later in the day most likely.
 
WchPl said:
Your recent edits on your last posts provide clarity. thanks a lot.



That's how I'd say the beginning. It's harder than I thought, so it's good to do it.

I have a doubt about the bar 7's global labelisation.

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I need a break, my brain is melting.. all this is fantastic, beautiful, complex, and I feel I'm gonna be able to achieve it, but right now...uufff.. a lot of things merging in mind, disorganizing to re-organizing themselves... a bit overwhelmed.
I've been working since 11am, it's exactly 5am.
Break time.

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can't wait to be back at this. Later in the day most likely.
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- what does T2F imply ? -> the absence of a second trough.
- when can a trough appear ? -> when volume stops decreasing
- if the trough fails to pass, what must this mean ? -> there is no trough
- what does the absence of a trough mean ? -> volume keeps on decreasing.
- what must volume do from pt3 to ftt in any trend ? -> increase​

Thanks for this ride. There's some DD in this, and EE's should be result of that.

3. P2>P1
4. P1 repeat => Ag

Better have another go, with P2<P1 for starters. 5 bars could be compared to later 6 bar solution.

Only meant as iterative refinement of differentiation and precision.
Good call to let brain rest, it'll work in the background on its own.
 
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