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[Lucrum]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Thanks for answering my question.

So you think/believe that slavery is wrong.

Was slavery also wrong even when it was legal?

This goes to the morality of slavery, not the legality.

Then why even mention the "legality"? Certainly by today's standards I would say it was/is wrong. Had I been a Roman 2000 years ago I doubt I would have had a problem with it.

You seem to be taking a moral position that slavery is wrong, and I am wondering if the same moral position you have stated above that slavery is wrong would have applied to the legal institution slavery in America 200 years ago.

Was slavery in America wrong 200 years ago, even though it was legal?

"Wrong" yes, although there is no way for me to say, had I lived 200 years ago, whether or not I would have had the foresight to see that then.

Is there a point to all of this?


Is abortion morally wrong, even though it's currently legal?

 

[OPTIONAL777]

"Certainly by today's standards I would say it was/is wrong. Had I been a Roman 2000 years ago I doubt I would have had a problem with it."

So you are making a relativistic argument, that slavery is determined by a country and their standards.

You are not stating that slavery is and/or was wrong from an unchanging moral perspective that is independent of time and place.

"Wrong" yes, although there is no way for me to say, had I lived 200 years ago, whether or not I would have had the foresight to see that then."

Further confirmation that you appear to believe that morality is a function of societal mores, not some absolute criteria that holds true for all times and places necessarily.

That is relativistic thinking.

Quote from Lucrum:

Then why even mention the "legality"? Certainly by today's standards I would say it was/is wrong. Had I been a Roman 2000 years ago I doubt I would have had a problem with it.

"Wrong" yes, although there is no way for me to say, had I lived 200 years ago, whether or not I would have had the foresight to see that then.

Is there a point to all of this?


Is abortion morally wrong, even though it's currently legal?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:


So you are making a relativistic argument, that slavery is determined by a country and their standards.

Wasn't that much the same as your argument for allowing pedophilia?

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Yes, you are using the an argument that morality is not absolute from a secular perspective, but relative to the time and place.

The difference is where you said slavery is wrong, I never said what Muslims are doing is wrong or right...I just said it is none of our business to judge them...because we don't like it when others judge us.

Kind of like when you say Thunderdog/Gabfly has no business discussing American politics because he is Canadian.

Quote from Lucrum:

Wasn't that much the same as your argument for allowing pedophilia?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Kind of like when you say Thunderdog/Gabfly has no business discussing American politics because he is Canadian.

So you agree that American politics is none of Thunderdog/Gabfly's business.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Of course it is none of his business.

Back to you, are you now ready to admit that your introduction of the issue you raised about my position regards to how the Muslim countries run their religion previously in this thread was none of your business in addition to being a wrong interpretation, a figment of your imagination, and an outright lie?

Quote from Lucrum:

So you agree that American politics is none of Thunderdog/Gabfly's business.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

... are you now ready to admit that your introduction of the issue you raised about my position regards to how the Muslim countries run their religion previously in this thread was none of your business in addition to being a wrong interpretation, a figment of your imagination, and an outright lie?

No

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Figures, that is what I expected from someone who is consistently a hypocrite and inconsistent in their principles...

Quote from Lucrum:

No

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Figures, that is what I expected from someone who is consistently a hypocrite and inconsistent in their principles...

Well nobody is perfect. I tell you what though. Show me one time where you have ever clearly admitted to being wrong and I'll consider it.

 

[OPTIONAL777]

What does my situation have to do with your own principles?

Nothing...

But, if someone makes a better argument, or if there is a typo, I have no problem conceding.

It just rarely happens on the argument side, as I don't play to win the way others do...so losing is rare.

You on the other hand have shown your true colors in this thread and the color is hypocrisy.

...and your response is "well nobody is perfect."

Quote from Lucrum:

Well nobody is perfect. I tell you what though. Show me one time where you have ever clearly admitted to being wrong and I'll consider it.