T-Dog, I assume the second one is by John Wensink. I have so many of the right wing extremists like AAA on ignore that I can't be sure. I think it's great that you feel compelled to speak to the Moron Troll as if his 'opinions', 'arguments' and 'positions' must be addressed and either endorsed or rebutted as if he was a legitimate actor.
In fact, this is not the case. The Fuckwit Alcoholic Z has shown innumerable times that he has no desire to show you the same courtesy. He is a liar and an intellectual fraud who runs and hides when anyone asks him to explain the blatant contradictions and errors in his posts. He accuses others of evasion and ad hominem and then in the same breath evades and insults. A fantastic example of his hypocrisy occurred last week when he posted, within hours of each other, two statements, first that the dominant culture's values define morality, and then, unbelievably, that they do not. Thanks to Mav for picking it up, see the thread which contains ZZZzzzzzzz's defense of pedophilia for more.
In my opinion, he has given up the right to be treated like a legitimate participant in debate around here. He won't answer my questions because he knows I will stay on his ass until all he has left is the posting of pink rabbit pictures.
I wish you wouldn't waste your valuable time and energy debating him - you of all people know that it's completely futile.
With regard to the fact that you happen to agree with some of his 'opinions' on U.S. politics, that's fine. If you need to post in his defense when the radical right weighs in, no problem. Pointless, in my view, but no problem. I just want everyone to shout him down when he claims that the rape of a 10 year-old child is morally defensible by appeal to cultural imperative.
By the way... I had no idea that you were involved in the (first?) banning of Z. One day you'll have to tell me about that.