Looks like North Carolina is about to repeal HB2

[Good1]

The only cognitively dissonant people I see around here are people like you that think a dude in a dress is a woman. More accurately, it would reflect that you're as mentally disturbed as they are.

If you are looking from inside the glass house of evangelical christianity, you should see "the bride of Christ"...both male and female...planning to put on a white dress to go to a wedding feast...both male and female planning to consumate a marriage with the male "lion" of the tribe of Judah.

And they plan to do this after they are dead.

If true, this is crossdressing, homosexuality, an orgy, bestiality, necromancy, and blasphemy.

But from where your head is, you would not be able to see that.

I think Trump and his GOP have been very gracious to accommodate you and throw a couple of bones.

All anyone asks is that you not unload your stinking theology in the atrium of the Trump Tower. Please use a bathroom...ANY bathroom for that kind of theology.

Otherwise, use your own pulpits, but leave legislation alone, doing unto others as you would have others do to you.

Like any wise man, Trump sees the data on evangelicals. Despite all the hypocritical cognitive dissonance, the data says you are not likely to covert your stinking theology to violence...at least not the way Islam converts it's stinkin theology to violence.

Likewise, the data says that trans people are not likely to convert their gender ideology into violence against anyone, let alone children at a rate any different from other heteros high on testosterone and progesterone.

If you want others to accommodate your shit, you need to accommodate theirs.

The reason you don't see, don't want, don't need any stinkin facts/data is because you are actually using legislation to keep your kids from seeing people who are transitioning...and getting any ideas of thier own.

You see trans people as evangelicals, converting your children without any words. You want them out of sight, as their very appearance is a sermon you don't want to hear.

Again, if you want others to accommodate your shit, you need to accommodate theirs.

 

[rock34748]

O.T. a bit but does this conversation remind others of the mid 1800's; we're somewhere in the 1850's I'd think? Different topics for sure, but beliefs no less strongly held.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/civil-war-overview/triggerevents.html

fhl and gwb-trading seem to represent the increasingly polar opposites in the U.S. Are there enough similarities left to preserve the Union? I'm not sure, but I'm seriously beginning to wonder. The staunchly held religious beliefs of Christians (and others with strong Judaeo-Christian political and moral values) vs. leftist liberal beliefs seem destined for civil war. One gets the feeling that many on the left think Judaeo-Christian values will sort of squeeze out of people the harder their backs are pressed to the wall. Probably because true conservatives have seemed too apathetic in the past. What will be the eventual line that is crossed, I wonder?

 

[wildchild]

Keep in mind the millions in revenue this represents. Also keep in mind all the construction jobs from building a 20,000 seat stadium. Not to mention the over 400 jobs (front office, back office, promotions, etc.) associated with team.

Which part of discrimination is bad do you fail to understand?

So some fruitcake with a mental disorder wants to play make believe, and you think it is discrimination if we all don't play make believe with him.

If it is all about the clothes you dress in, then why isn't there a urinal in the womens room.

 

[gwb-trading]

So some fruitcake with a mental disorder wants to play make believe, and you think it is discrimination if we all don't play make believe with him.

If it is all about the clothes you dress in, then why isn't there a urinal in the womens room.

Once again.... you appear to be missing that the bathroom portion of HB2 is one minor part of the bill -- only accounting for two pages of the many in the bill and associated documents. The rest of HB2 rolls back civil rights protections in North Carolina by over 100 years.

In the reality the bath protections part of HB2 may be the only portion of HB2 that I could actually support in some form -- but not in the manner it is currently authored. The intent of the current HB2 bathroom bill is simply to slam the LGBTQ community - not to put any decent regulations in place in regards to restrooms.

 

[gwb-trading]

Today's morning update:

The state legislature is meeting today in a special session to possibly repeal HB2.

The immediate controversy is that the state legislature is claiming that the Charlotte City Council did not repeal a portion of their ordinance. They Republicans are claiming that Charlotte did not roll-back the portion of their ordinance that makes discrimination in city contracting illegal. In view of most political observers, the Republicans are just using this as an excuse to extract further concessions from Charlotte (especially state control of their airport authority - which is something HB2 illegally grabbed).

The Charlotte City Council is also meeting in an emergency session while asking the state legislature please show us the portion that we did not roll back and we will roll it back today. Sadly the state legislature appears to be unable to back up their assertions that some portion of the Charlotte ordinance has not been rolled back (as of 8:30am today).

We will see how the rest of the day moves forward...

Charlotte council to meet Wednesday before possible HB2 repeal session
http://www.wral.com/political-ideological-tension-mark-potential-hb2-repeal-session/16358343/

 

[Arnie]

You see driving away 6500 high paying jobs and all of their associated business has a tax impact on the state. Especially since the state legislative leaders eliminated the film tax credit simply because they "disliked Hollywood" rather than for any type of financial reason.

So they DO pick winners and losers. Thanks for making my point, although NC seems to have taken the stupidity to new levels. The state shouldn't be giving "credits" to any business.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

The rest of HB2 rolls back civil rights protections in North Carolina by over 100 years.

Not really, as I understand it. It merely limited the ability of localities to enact their own laws that were more burdensome than state policy. Would the legislature stand for say, charlotte enacting a semiautomatic rifle ban? Or Raleigh banning tobacco products?

Plus, the state law had no effect on federal civil rights provisions.

Let's face it, the national uproar from the gaynazis was generated over the bathroom aspect. Apparently it is now a core value of the NBA and the ACC to glorify perversion and mental illness.

You may cheer their activism now, but like fhl pointed out, submitting to a bully is unlikely to cause them to moderate their bullying in the future. At some point you have to draw a line.

 

[gwb-trading]

Not really, as I understand it. It merely limited the ability of localities to enact their own laws that were more burdensome than state policy. Would the legislature stand for say, charlotte enacting a semiautomatic rifle ban? Or Raleigh banning tobacco products?

Plus, the state law had no effect on federal civil rights provisions.

Let's face it, the national uproar from the gaynazis was generated over the bathroom aspect. Apparently it is now a core value of the NBA and the ACC to glorify perversion and mental illness.

You may cheer their activism now, but like fhl pointed out, submitting to a bully is unlikely to cause them to moderate their bullying in the future. At some point you have to draw a line.

Actually you are not correct. HB2 limited a large number of civil rights protections in North Carolina. For example, the law made it so that you could not sue for civil rights violations in state courts. Meaning that you would have to file a much more expensive civil case in federal court to get recourse.

The HB2 bill was written by a Republican state committee (back originally in 2011) long before Charlotte passed its ordinance. HB2 basically packed in every regressive conservative pipe-dream into a single bill. The passing of the Charlotte ordinance was simply used as an excuse to call a special assembly session to pass HB2 in 2016. Something every business leader warned the assembly not to do.

The day after the people in North Carolina woke up and actually read what was in the bill. They found out all of their local and regional rule-making and zoning ability was stripped, they found out the state took over many regional entities such as water districts and airport boards, they found out you could not sue in state court for discrimination, found out their wages were rolled back to the federal minimum wage, and a host of unsavory items.

Trying to portray HB2 as a bathroom bill rather than a civil rights situation demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what was stuffed in the bill.

 

[gwb-trading]

So they DO pick winners and losers. Thanks for making my point, although NC seems to have taken the stupidity to new levels. The state shouldn't be giving "credits" to any business.

Well if the state should not give credits to any business then North Carolina AND EVERY OTHER STATE needs to roll-back all business tax credits. Of course, every state uses these tax credits to attract and keep businesses in their state.

North Carolina is actually a state that offers far less business tax credits than many other states. I will note the North Carolina spending on film tax credits in particular is lower than many other states.

BTW... the official definition of "picking winners and losers" is not selecting which industries to provide tax credits to -- but selecting which particular companies in an industry get a tax credit while disallowing a tax credit for their direct competitors.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Trying to portray HB2 as a bathroom bill rather than a civil rights situation demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what was stuffed in the bill.

The gaynazis were not in a frenzy because of loss of local control over water districts.

Limiting the jurisdiction of local courts is a perfectly valid legislative prerogative. Prevailing plaintiffs get their legal bills paid in federal civil rights cases. I see no reason filing in federal court should be more expensive. Why would the state want to encourage cases that are typically legal extortion? Federal courts have vastly more experience in this type of case and would be the venue of choice for most plaintiffs anyway.