Looks like North Carolina is about to repeal HB2

[fhl]

Wow. If you think that was a good answer you should make an appointment with the transition team to take a ride up the elevator up to Trump's office. See how long you last. But you'd never even get that far.

Fact: this IS hell, where mentally disturbed is the norm.

Be like Pastor Manning and withdraw your support before you ruin Trump's GOP.

Please join Merkel's Christian Democrats instead.

You think a person with a dick and male dna wakes up one day and wants to put on a dress and that constitutes real evidence that needs to be considered as to whether they're a man or woman. Because everythings not black and white.

Then you imply that i'm deranged or something.

Is this really the road you want to go down in this argument?

 

[Good1]

You think a person with a dick and male dna wakes up one day and wants to put on a dress and that constitutes real evidence that needs to be considered as to whether they're a man or woman. Because everythings not black and white.

Then you imply that i'm deranged or something.

Is this really the road you want to go down in this argument?

I said this is hell. That's not hyperbole, but shared matter-of-factly. Hell is populated by cognitive dissonant hypocrites...the deranged. You're one of them if you think your brand of religious bigotry squares with Trump's GOP.

You are assuming any kind of gender identity is free from cognitive dissonant disturbance. That's where you are normal, but as I've said, the disturbed hide behind a mask of normalized normality...in hell.

So I've invited you to follow Pastor Manning's lead out of supporting Trump's GOP, and gather wherever Christians gather, such as Merkel's Christian Democrats...or hell.

Let's not confuse Trump's GOP for a bathroom where cognitively dissonant hypocrites can just walk right in and stink the place up.

Feel free to do that like North Carolina bigots recently tried, and also be free to experience financial repurcussions.

For every two religious bigots that leave the party, the GOP will gain three Stefan Molyneux, Milo, and Blaire Whites. Your juvenile peer pressure is no longer needed.

 

[fhl]

I said this is hell. That's not hyperbole, but shared matter-of-factly. Hell is populated by cognitive dissonant hypocrites...the deranged. You're one of them if you think your brand of religious bigotry squares with Trump's GOP.

You are assuming any kind of gender identity is free from cognitive dissonant disturbance. That's where you are normal, but as I've said, the disturbed hide behind a mask of normalized normality...in hell.

So I've invited you to follow Pastor Manning's lead out of supporting Trump's GOP, and gather wherever Christians gather, such as Merkel's Christian Democrats...or hell.

Let's not confuse Trump's GOP for a bathroom where cognitively dissonant hypocrites can just walk right in and stink the place up.

Feel free to do that like North Carolina bigots recently tried, and also be free to experience financial repurcussions.

For every two religious bigots that leave the party, the GOP will gain three Stefan Molyneux, Milo, and Blaire Whites. Your juvenile peer pressure is no longer needed.

The only cognitively dissonant people I see around here are people like you that think a dude in a dress is a woman. More accurately, it would reflect that you're as mentally disturbed as they are.

As long as we're going to assign new parties to each other, I think you may want to become a nancy pelosi democrat where the rest of the mentally disturbed reside in their little cocoons of delusional ignorance. That's where the advocates of anything goes as long as it's deviant enough reside. Of course you add a little footnote to it. If a few more bucks can be made by endulging the deviancy, then that's the topping on the cake that ensures it's moral virtue.

And in case you are completely unaware of everything that's going on in politics today, it's the religious right tea partiers that sent Trump into office.
Without the Christian Right, There'd Be No President Trump: What Do They Want in Exchange?

Are you going completely off the rails and denying this, or is it just more cognitive dissonance that prevents you from seeing anything at all that resembles the truth?

 

[gwb-trading]

a. So what if they lose business? Is that all the women of North Carolina are worth to you? You'll sell them down the river for a few bucks?

b. The article I referenced said the deal was on the table for the last six months and the city of Charlotte would not go along with it until now because those perverted deviants thought it would be a good election issue and get a lot of perverted deviants to vote for Cooper.
The GOP legislature disputed almost every point the city of Charlotte and Cooper said about the 'brokering' of this deal.

The fact is that this deal would not have happened if the city of Charlotte had let their ordinance remain in place. Period. No matter how many other cities passed this warped ordinance.

I really can't believe that anyone of sound mind thinks men should have a legal right to go in women's bathrooms. It boggles my mind. How has this country devolved to this level.

So let me ask... Let's say you are in North Carolina and you visit a restaurant owned by a black man, and he says get out because we don't serve white people.

Since HB2 was passed can you get recourse under the state legal system (criminal or civil) for being refused service?

The answer is you cannot. Since HB2 was passed discrimination suits and action can only be addressed at the federal level.

HB2 is much broader than the issue of bathrooms. The bill removed all discrimination protections at a state level in North Carolina.

On the issue of the actions of the Charlotte City Council. For months the state legislature has been crying that if Charlotte rescinded its bill then the legislature would undo HB2. Every reasonable person knows that this claim by the legislature is nonsense; they had no intention of turning over HB2 - this was simply an excuse to not take any action.

Now after months talking out of their rear-ends to the point where the legislature would look extremely bad if they did not rescind HB2 if the Charlotte city council vacated their ordinance -- the legislature is now in a trap, they must take action to preserve any integrity.

Tomorrow if the legislature does not rescind HB2 then January looks very bleak in our state for Republicans as businesses leave in greater numbers, sporting events continue cancellations, and the state's business leaders tell Republicans that the donation pipeline to their state party is shut down.

 

[fhl]

So let me ask... Let's say you are in North Carolina and you visit a restaurant owned by a black man, and he says get out because we don't serve white people.

Since HB2 was passed can you get recourse under the state legal system (criminal or civil) for being refused service?

The answer is you cannot. Since HB2 was passed discrimination suits and action can only be addressed at the federal level.

HB2 is much broader than the issue of bathrooms. The bill removed all discrimination protections at a state level in North Carolina.

On the issue of the actions of the Charlotte City Council. For months the state legislature has been crying that if Charlotte rescinded its bill then the legislature would undo HB2. Every reasonable person knows that this claim by the legislature is nonsense; they had no intention of turning over HB2 - this was simply an excuse to not take any action.

Now after months talking out of their rear-ends to the point where the legislature would look extremely bad if they did not rescind HB2 if the Charlotte city council vacated their ordinance -- the legislature is now in a trap, they must take action to preserve any integrity.

Tomorrow if the legislature does not rescind HB2 then January looks very bleak in our state for Republicans as businesses leave in greater numbers, sporting events continue cancellations, and the state's business leaders tell Republicans that the donation pipeline to their state party is shut down.

I've maintained all along that private businesses should be able to conduct business any way they want. It's none of the gov'ts business. Free association is a bedrock principal. So why would I bitch? You're the one that would have a problem.

And as far as what the intentions of the republican legislature were for the last six months, you're just talking out your ass. You don't know what their intentions were. My opinion that they would have followed through on the bill is every bit as valid. On top of that, it's also common sense that they would have rescinded the bill if the reason they brought it in the first place was to undo what the charlotte city council did.

Further, this bit about discrimination is getting to be really old.
Do you support the current ban on children eight or ten years old from driving cars down the freeway? How can you support this kind of discrimination, being that the word discrimination seems to light you up?

This bullshit where everything the establishment wants to keep certain people from doing isn't discrimination, but everything that the right wants to do is the evil concept of discrimination has worn out it's useful life. It's an attempt to link everything the right does with racism. If people can be persuaded that it's the word discrimination, then it's just like jim crow and it's bad.

Well, keeping men out of women's bathrooms is no more or less discriminatory than keeping children from driving on the roads. Think that's ridiculous? It's only because you've bought into the propaganda that a person with a penis can be a woman if they put a dress on.

The notion that anyone would let men have free access to restrooms with their wives and daughters if it will mean they can get more business is so repugnant to me that I can't even believe it has to be discussed.

 

[gwb-trading]

Why do you think they ask for your drivers license when you buy? That gets scanned, and the state knows and can deny you disability and then they sneak it over to the health insurance company and they raise your rates a little (in an ideal post aca world.)

Move back to NJ if it is so terrible. And take the rest of Cary with you.

Let's discuss the liquor system in North Carolina. Each county has a politically appointed ABC (Alcoholic Beverage Control) board. The board sets the locations, policies, stocked items, hours, etc. of the ABC stores in the county). The policies vary county by county.

In suburban counties such as Wake (home of Raleigh), the stores are modern and fully stocked. Yesterday I went to our local ABC store to purchase a bottle of Bailey's for our neighbor as a gift. The large ABC store has wide aisles, is fully stocked, and has very helpful, friendly staff. Being obviously over 40, I was not asked for photo id. I paid for my purchase in cash, and was in/out in well under 5 minutes.

Let me describe my purchase last week of rum in a rural county in North Carolina. The ABC boards in our 60+ rural counties believe that their entire purpose is to make it as difficult & painful as possible for you to get your hands on alcohol.

My in-laws retired to a rural county in North Carolina. The county has only recently voted to allow the serving of liquor in restaurants via a voting referendum that was opposed by many ministers and local politicians saying that liquor is the devil. On my way to their place they requested that I pick up a bottle of white rum for the eggnog.

I drop into the local ABC store. Let me set the scene. The parking lot is gravel with trash all over it. The ABC store building is a 20 by 20 armored hut. You do not go inside, but need to wait outside in the freezing cold.

I went up to the window, and tried to attract the attention of the lady ABC employee inside. She sits their reading something and deliberately not looking up. Finally after three minutes, I politely knock lightly on the glass. She looks up and says" I'm busy, You gotta wait." Finally two minutes later she rouses herself from her magazine and comes to the window.

"What do you want?", she queries. No "Hello" or any other greeting.

"What white rum do you have available?", I ask politely.

"I can't tell you what we have. You have to know what you want," she says.

"Well give me a small 375ml bottle of Barcardi white rum please," I request. Figuring this is one of the few items they should have in stock in their very small inventory inside the 20 foot square space. However I still wonder since looking through the window nearly all the shelves appear to be nearly empty.

"I need two forms of government ID before I can process your order," she demands.

Fortunately I have my drivers license and passport on me (due to the U.K trip). The county requires two forms of government id to buy liquor, at least one must have a picture. She opens a big drawer and I place both items in it. She closes the drawer and pulls both forms of id out and then starts to type in all the information from both ids onto a computer as slowly as humanly possible - I just stand outside freezing my ass off.

After this it is necessary to fill out all the paperwork since I have never purchased in the county before. All sorts of forms signing my life away stating that I am not purchasing the liquor to serve in a restaurant, purchasing the liquor for minors, moving the liquor across a state line, will not purchase more than a half gallon per day from all locations, etc., etc.

Finally she asks how I am going to pay... stating they are not taking cash today and only take Visa not Mastercard or Federal Express. (Despite sign on the window stating they take both Visa & Mastercard.) Fortunately I have a Visa card.

I hand it into the drawer. She types in the information on another computer (no card swipe machine) and processes my order. Then she gets the bottle of rum from the back. After this she moves over to the government computer to record what I have purchased.

We are now 25 minutes into the process. I am freezing my ass off. My fingers are frozen stiff. She finally opens the drawer, it contains the rum bottle, my credit card, my ids, and brochures on where to obtain substance abuse help.

She says "Have a blessed day" in a tone that implies go f%&k yourself as I leave. (BTW "Have a blessed day" is the local evangelical born-again Christian greeting).

This is why my father-in-law gets all of his liquor as moonshine from his buddies at the local lodge and never visits the ABC store. This also explains why moonshine is still such a large business in rural areas of North Carolina.

And keep in mind, the backward idiots who run this county ABC store are the same idiots who hold a majority in our state legislature.

 

[big mac]

do you know what seperates men from women...about half a chromosome!

ya'll all like dick1, ya'll just don't know it

 

[Scataphagos]

The notion that anyone would let men have free access to restrooms with their wives and daughters if it will mean they can get more business is so repugnant to me that I can't even believe it has to be discussed.

I feel the same as you.

However.... years ago when I was in the Air Force and stationed in Taiwan... I first experienced "unisex bathrooms". I went to what I thought was a "men's restroom" in a bar only to see a woman refreshing her mascara in the mirror above a sink. Asked her about "being in the wrong rest room", and she told me "men's room, women's room... no big deal... all the same".

I dunno. I'm all in favor of a certain degree of modesty and decorum... but perhaps we Americans are too uptight about this??

 

[gwb-trading]

I've maintained all along that private businesses should be able to conduct business any way they want. It's none of the gov'ts business. Free association is a bedrock principal. So why would I bitch? You're the one that would have a problem.

And as far as what the intentions of the republican legislature were for the last six months, you're just talking out your ass. You don't know what their intentions were. My opinion that they would have followed through on the bill is every bit as valid. On top of that, it's also common sense that they would have rescinded the bill if the reason they brought it in the first place was to undo what the charlotte city council did.

Further, this bit about discrimination is getting to be really old.
Do you support the current ban on children eight or ten years old from driving cars down the freeway? How can you support this kind of discrimination, being that the word discrimination seems to light you up?

This bullshit where everything the establishment wants to keep certain people from doing isn't discrimination, but everything that the right wants to do is the evil concept of discrimination has worn out it's useful life. It's an attempt to link everything the right does with racism. If people can be persuaded that it's the word discrimination, then it's just like jim crow and it's bad.

Well, keeping men out of women's bathrooms is no more or less discriminatory than keeping children from driving on the roads. Think that's ridiculous? It's only because you've bought into the propaganda that a person with a penis can be a woman if they put a dress on.

The notion that anyone would let men have free access to restrooms with their wives and daughters if it will mean they can get more business is so repugnant to me that I can't even believe it has to be discussed.

Living in North Carolina, the intentions of the Republican legislature over the past 273 days since they passed HB2 is pretty clear. As the heat turned up, the more intelligent legislators were looking for some path to escape with some dignity left intact. Most others were looking to find an excuse on why they couldn't rescind HB2 so they could keep it in place - these clowns loudly stated the 'Charlotte city council must drop it's law campaign" - well now it has back-fired on them.

HB2 has been eroded under court decisions, and the entire misguided discriminatory bill would likely to be overturned in federal court before the of 2017 based on rulings in Virginia & other states.

It is interesting that you maintain that "private businesses should be able to conduct business any way they want." This means that you view denying service to black people at a lunch counter in a retail store in Greensboro as perfectly acceptable. I thought our country had moved beyond this and the establishment of civil right protections in private business entities is very clearly established in the United States.

Children who are eight or ten years old cannot see over the front window while reaching the gas pedal. There are rational reasons why they are not allowed to drive until they are older, and none of this is based on discrimination based on race, gender, religion, orientation, etc.

In the same way now IMO, extreme vetting incoming immigrants from countries with terrorism issues is rational and not discriminatory. There is an obvious reason for doing it.

Likewise deporting illegal immigrants from our country is not discriminatory. It is is rational - not obeying the law thereby getting deported is not a form of discrimination. Mexico would deport me very quickly if I did the same thing.

In regards to the protection of children in bathrooms, North Carolina has plenty of existing criminal laws in place to prosecute offenders who assault children in restrooms. In fact well over 90% of bathroom assaults of a minor involve two people of the same gender in our state. Adding a discriminatory HB2 law does nothing further to protect children in restrooms. The entire thing is a meaningless straw-man argument.

 

[gwb-trading]

I feel the same as you.

However.... years ago when I was in the Air Force and stationed in Taiwan... I first experienced "unisex bathrooms". I went to what I thought was a "men's restroom" in a bar only to see a woman refreshing her mascara in the mirror above a sink. Asked her about "being in the wrong rest room", and she told me "men's room, women's room... no big deal... all the same".

I dunno. I'm all in favor of a certain degree of modesty and decorum... but perhaps we Americans are too uptight about this??

As a interesting historical tidbit, near the turn of the 19th century nearly all the bathrooms in large public facilities in the U.S. (and Europe) such as train stations were unisex. Each person had their own closed wooden closets (no stalls to peak under/over) with the toilet and a common area held the sinks/mirrors.

Keep in mind that this is not much past an era when people in cities used unisex outhouses at public facilities. So the new modern indoor facilities which were warm, well-lit and nice were viewed as great enhancements to travel, theatre, dining, etc.. Public pools had separate changing rooms but common bathrooms.

At some point some point some advocates starting making a ruckus about how men may assault women in these shared restrooms (despite very little proof of this happening). After this clamor they started building separate bathroom facilities for men and women as the 1900s moved forward.