long term position trading -primarily etf's-

Chart study is interesting-
Actual account- I had added to Cure position by 50% this week as it moved higher in the consolidation- I thought it looked promising- but now it looks weak- I'll review my stop-for Monday- Perhaps split the stops-
PBE stopped out on weakness this week for a minor loss - have to update the actual trade- TDIV moved higher- on momentum after a lackluster week earlier- Nearing prior high, DTN moved up to a new high-
Had a small momentum gamble on Baba-stopped out-no pain- but no gain- AAPL moving up nicely this week- Minor position- Luster may be coming off the healthcare/biotechs- will see where it goes-
 
Any reader- note No considerations for commissions, slippage ete- Just comparing what making a single addition or modification can add or detract from a starting system.
Chart 1 showed a great return of buy and hold with absolutely no stops- and a great present success to the present. Up some 7x
Chart 2 introduces a rigid stop-loss following price- and a rule for an entry after a confirming bar
had a net 83% gain - feeble to chart 1's impressive return. Chart 2 is a cautious approach.

In this next chart, I have 2 modifications-
First, I start with an entry on the 1st day of trading with $1,000 at the open, and set a stop directly under the low of that bar (granted- there is no prior history) . This trade starts off by being stopped out for a loss of account value- and then there is a multi bar decline- a period of "downtrend" - lower highs & lower lows. Following a multi bar decline, with progressively lower closes, the entry requires a reversal bar to close higher than the declining bar's open or even perhaps it's high. In the chart- the Oct 11 bullish engulfing candle exceeds both the open and the high of the prior bar- The entry only then occurs after this bullish bar has completed- (explore this further down the road)
Once this bar occurs- an entry to buy the open with a stop below of the confirming bar occurs-.
(worked in this 1 chart- will be expanded later )

The stop-loss criteria remains tight under the low of the prior closed bar, as was done in the prior chart 2.
The change is the entry criteria now uses a buy stop to enter just above the high of the bar where the stop was executed, and not waiting for a confirmation bar-
This single change had a significant impact on the results- compared to the method illustrated in Chart 2.
chart 3 has a 3x return of the starting account due to the 1 adjustment in the approach.
One could easily argue the point that this worked so significantly because the trend stayed up and the consolidations were relatively smooth and sideways.
Trend direction is indeed a significant factor- IMO in all trades-
As one views this chart in hindsight- it occurs that some of the stops were simply caught on price intrabar volatility- and, in the majority of the stops that were executed by the active bar, the active bar may have penetrated the stop level activating it, but did not close below the stop level in most instances.

The next chart may explore that as the next step to consider- Normal price volatility goes both up and down. If the prior bar is the only consideration for a stop level- one gets taken out on moderate volatility even though the trend remains intact. There are additional variables- that can be explored to see what works and what one can be comfortable with. Use an ATR multiple for stops? -use the entry bar for a stop until a closing bar indicates one needs to be concerned? Use a smoothing mechanism- to evaluate price action (a couple of moving averages for perspective?) use a technical indicator- psar? Use price action alone or in conjunction with other ways to improve results? Once an approach looks promising-
how does one define and backtest? Some areas i will explore going forward- hope to learn a bit and share it here, as time allows. This process of analyzing a chart in greater depth is a good exercise for me personally regarding my own trading.

Chart -cure-Monthly3View attachment 146529
I believe my math was correct- but in error on calculating a 300% gain-Still -better than the prior method.

The account value is simply 3x the starting value (1,000.00) - a 100% gain = +1,000.00 a 200% account gain = net $3,000.00
acct value of $3,000.00
 
Any reader- note No considerations for commissions, slippage ete- Just comparing what making a single addition or modification can add or detract from a starting system.
Chart 1 showed a great return of buy and hold with absolutely no stops- and a great present success to the present. Up some 7x
Chart 2 introduces a rigid stop-loss following price- and a rule for an entry after a confirming bar
had a net 83% gain - feeble to chart 1's impressive return. Chart 2 is a cautious approach.

In this next chart, I have 2 modifications-
First, I start with an entry on the 1st day of trading with $1,000 at the open, and set a stop directly under the low of that bar (granted- there is no prior history) . This trade starts off by being stopped out for a loss of account value- and then there is a multi bar decline- a period of "downtrend" - lower highs & lower lows. Following a multi bar decline, with progressively lower closes, the entry requires a reversal bar to close higher than the declining bar's open or even perhaps it's high. In the chart- the Oct 11 bullish engulfing candle exceeds both the open and the high of the prior bar- The entry only then occurs after this bullish bar has completed- (explore this further down the road)
Once this bar occurs- an entry to buy the open with a stop below of the confirming bar occurs-.
(worked in this 1 chart- will be expanded later )

The stop-loss criteria remains tight under the low of the prior closed bar, as was done in the prior chart 2.
The change is the entry criteria now uses a buy stop to enter just above the high of the bar where the stop was executed, and not waiting for a confirmation bar-
This single change had a significant impact on the results- compared to the method illustrated in Chart 2.
chart 3 has a 3x return of the starting account due to the 1 adjustment in the approach.
One could easily argue the point that this worked so significantly because the trend stayed up and the consolidations were relatively smooth and sideways.
Trend direction is indeed a significant factor- IMO in all trades-
As one views this chart in hindsight- it occurs that some of the stops were simply caught on price intrabar volatility- and, in the majority of the stops that were executed by the active bar, the active bar may have penetrated the stop level activating it, but did not close below the stop level in most instances.

The next chart may explore that as the next step to consider- Normal price volatility goes both up and down. If the prior bar is the only consideration for a stop level- one gets taken out on moderate volatility even though the trend remains intact. There are additional variables- that can be explored to see what works and what one can be comfortable with. Use an ATR multiple for stops? -use the entry bar for a stop until a closing bar indicates one needs to be concerned? Use a smoothing mechanism- to evaluate price action (a couple of moving averages for perspective?) use a technical indicator- psar? Use price action alone or in conjunction with other ways to improve results? Once an approach looks promising-
how does one define and backtest? Some areas i will explore going forward- hope to learn a bit and share it here, as time allows. This process of analyzing a chart in greater depth is a good exercise for me personally regarding my own trading.

Chart -cure-Monthly3View attachment 146529
This following chart adds a moving average -
I personally find moving averages useful as a graphic -something that helps me visualize what price is doing in terms of trend direction. A moving average lags the price action- it is constructed bar by bar when that bar closes- moving averages are not leading indicators-
A rule based approach can be constructed employing a moving average to give a sense of direction.
downtrend, sideways trend , uptrend- if one is a long only trend trader- one wants to stay out of entering in a downtrend. wants to recognize a consolidation occurring, and wants to be long in an uptrend.
This chart is illustrated with a moving average- a set of "rules" based on closing price bars relative to the direction of the moving average- (cannot react intrabar -volatility swings-can only react when the bar CLOSES- ) in this case of the monthly chart- one has to wait for the month to end -evaluate the bar and make an evaluation then.
Many of us cannot be that hands off in our investing-much less our trading-That may be a negative for the one, and a positive for the other- I tend to want to react to price volatility swings- and have to personally discipline myself and remind myself that as a swing trader I'm looking for an ongoing trend to continue-and restrain myself from reacting too emotionally- and in too fast a time frame at investments, and perhaps not fast enough in my trading account. My opinion is that one perhaps should not have a "one size fits all" approach -investments (longer term) and trading are similar- but done with different
glasses. One can see if an approach on the one could be successfully extended to the other - At this thread gets more focused- I will try to do that comparisom for myself-
Back to the Chart at hand -
Yes, This is a Monthly Chart- and a simple one at that-
But, a Chart is a Chart, is a Chart-meaning that what occurs on one time frame- also occurs on every other time frame . and if a moving average included in one time frame with some "rules" appears to work, it
could be considered worth exploring on different time frames- over wider periods-to see if it also could be applied with some success. One could change the particular moving average time frames- or from a simple to an ema- and compare whether it would have benefitted one's trading -
While this chart is 3.5 years old- it only has some 40 bars of price action- so this is a very narrow and coincidentally trend "cherry picked' chart to start with. Looks promising initially through rose colored glasses. Best to start off Simple though- and ease into more complexity gradually.
CURE  M4  A MOVING AVERAGE APPROACH.PNG
 
FOLLOWING THE SEQUENCE OF A SINGLE MOVING AVERAGE, INTRODUCING ADDING AN ADDITIONAL MOVING AVERAGE- tHE ADVANTAGE OF MORE THAN A SINGLE MOVING AVERAGE IS THAT IT GIVES A SENSE OF PRESENT TREND- WIDER TREND- AND ONE CAN HAVE AN EVEN LONGER MA REPRESENTING THE RELEVANT WIDER TREND.
sOME PEOPLE CAN EMPLOY A MOVING AVERAGE CROSSOVER APPROACH FOR ENTRY & EXIT SIGNALS-
sINCE MOVING AVERAGES TYPICALLY ARE LAGGING- USING MOVING AVERAGES IN THE SAME TIME FRAME MAY WORK- BUT ONE COULD TRY TO EMPLOY THE NEXT LOWER TIME FRAME MOVING AVERAGES TO GET MORE TIMELY SIGNALS AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT LEFT ON THE TABLE- cOMES AT A COST OF MORE POTENTIAL WHIPSAWED SIGNALS.
tHE PLUS TO HAVING A SET OF RULES CONSTRUCTED WITH 2 MA'S HELPS DEFINE DIRECTION, ENTRY AND EXIT SIGNALS, AND COULD BE THE BASIS FOR AN APPROACH THAT KEEPS ONE OUT OF A DECLINING MARKET AND IN A TRENDING MARKET..
Sorry if the caps offend- not intended.
The monthly chart with 2 moving averages looks pretty smooth -uptrending-
following that monthly chart, is a weekly chart- with the same moving averages- Different picture
and then price is ignored in 3rd chart- just ma's
CURE  M5  2 MOVING AVERAGES.PNG
CURE  M5  2 MOVING AVERAGES.PNG
CURE  STUDY  WEEKLY  W1  MOVING AVERAGES ONLY.PNG
 
iN THE DTN POSITION- price is slowing and consolidating- a $75 stop will lock in some gains and give some room for volatility compared to the close.
 
FOLLOWING THE SEQUENCE OF A SINGLE MOVING AVERAGE, INTRODUCING ADDING AN ADDITIONAL MOVING AVERAGE- tHE ADVANTAGE OF MORE THAN A SINGLE MOVING AVERAGE IS THAT IT GIVES A SENSE OF PRESENT TREND- WIDER TREND- AND ONE CAN HAVE AN EVEN LONGER MA REPRESENTING THE RELEVANT WIDER TREND.
sOME PEOPLE CAN EMPLOY A MOVING AVERAGE CROSSOVER APPROACH FOR ENTRY & EXIT SIGNALS-
sINCE MOVING AVERAGES TYPICALLY ARE LAGGING- USING MOVING AVERAGES IN THE SAME TIME FRAME MAY WORK- BUT ONE COULD TRY TO EMPLOY THE NEXT LOWER TIME FRAME MOVING AVERAGES TO GET MORE TIMELY SIGNALS AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT LEFT ON THE TABLE- cOMES AT A COST OF MORE POTENTIAL WHIPSAWED SIGNALS.
tHE PLUS TO HAVING A SET OF RULES CONSTRUCTED WITH 2 MA'S HELPS DEFINE DIRECTION, ENTRY AND EXIT SIGNALS, AND COULD BE THE BASIS FOR AN APPROACH THAT KEEPS ONE OUT OF A DECLINING MARKET AND IN A TRENDING MARKET..
Sorry if the caps offend- not intended.
The monthly chart with 2 moving averages looks pretty smooth -uptrending-
following that monthly chart, is a weekly chart- with the same moving averages- Different picture
and then price is ignored in 3rd chart- just ma's View attachment 146537 View attachment 146537 View attachment 146538
FOLLOWING UP ON LOOKING AT CURE:
TAKING A VIEW OF THE WEEKLY CHARTS-
w2 chart illustrates the various periods of price reversal to trend- and following pullback
w3 illustrates just the turning points - where trend ended and declined and then resumed the uptrend-
consider- that in the sum- all that occurred inbetween could have been ignored as just "noise" and relatively inconsequential.
What is it i am trying to learn? As a trend trader- perhaps it is staying with the trend and allowing it to tell me when it is over- and not react to the noise that is between the turning points.
CURE W2 WEEKLY FRAMES IN TREND.PNG
CURE  W3-  TREND TURNS.PNG
 
FOLLOWING UP ON LOOKING AT CURE:
TAKING A VIEW OF THE WEEKLY CHARTS-
w2 chart illustrates the various periods of price reversal to trend- and following pullback
w3 illustrates just the turning points - where trend ended and declined and then resumed the uptrend-
consider- that in the sum- all that occurred inbetween could have been ignored as just "noise" and relatively inconsequential.
What is it i am trying to learn? As a trend trader- perhaps it is staying with the trend and allowing it to tell me when it is over- and not react to the noise that is between the turning points.
View attachment 146718 View attachment 146721
CHART OF CURE -FRAME 1-
DOWNTREND TRANSITION INTO UPTREND-
What I think can be learned from this Frame view- is that when price is strongly downtrending- it may take a considerable effort to get a trend reversal going- In this example- the 1st reversal try fails- but the initial criteria to enter the trade long was met- have an upturned ema and higher closing bar- In this example- it illustrates that there is a difference between a decline in a downtrend- and a minor decline in a predominant uptrend- Both need to be treated with suspicion- but less investment perhaps in a downtrend reversal than in entering an uptrend pullback= this is a money management consideration to reduce the Risk of a more speculative trade.
CURE FRAME 1.PNG
 
Had some cash clear today-
Market momentum seems to be holding- institutions playing catch up for this last qtr?
After work, Getting in just before the market close- I added to CURE by 50%. 120.58-Will give this room below the bottom of the channel 116. Initial position cost $90.88 (best gain)
Reentered PBE $49.33--This is the type of reentry to a prior position I intend to continue as a process- as long as the larger trend appears to be intact. I have been in this position several times earlier-
added to Baba- strictly an irresponsible but small momentum gamble.Initial entry was late
,but this smaller add- if stop hits- trade will be a scratch- out above average cost.
Just a footnote on adding to Cure LAST WEEK while in the sideways channel- It did not move directly higher as i was hoping- It took a week or so- By adding to the position while it was closer to my stop below the consolidation channel, I narrowed my RISK - I was comfortable in doing this because i have had a nice move higher from my original entry. Today's action moved in my direction- higher. To me, this reinforces the recent multi-week consolidation range as having become a more substantial support level now that price appears to have "broken out" higher.
CURE 2 HR CANDLESTICK 11.9.14.PNG
CURE 2 HR 11.18.14.PNG
 
CHART OF CURE -FRAME 1-
DOWNTREND TRANSITION INTO UPTREND-
What I think can be learned from this Frame view- is that when price is strongly downtrending- it may take a considerable effort to get a trend reversal going- In this example- the 1st reversal try fails- but the initial criteria to enter the trade long was met- have an upturned ema and higher closing bar- In this example- it illustrates that there is a difference between a decline in a downtrend- and a minor decline in a predominant uptrend- Both need to be treated with suspicion- but less investment perhaps in a downtrend reversal than in entering an uptrend pullback= this is a money management consideration to reduce the Risk of a more speculative trade.View attachment 146760
Following up on a chart study of CURE-
Cure went into a multi-week decline soon after starting off it's IPO and attempt to move higher-
focusing more on the multi-bar decline had been using the weekly chart
CHART OF CURE -FRAME 1-
DOWNTREND TRANSITION INTO UPTREND-
What I think can be learned from this Frame view- is that when price is strongly downtrending- it may take a considerable effort to get a trend reversal going- In this example- the 1st reversal try fails- but the initial criteria to enter the trade long was met- have an upturned ema and higher closing bar- In this example- it illustrates that there is a difference between a decline in a downtrend- and a minor decline in a predominant uptrend- Both need to be treated with suspicion- but less investment perhaps in a downtrend reversal than in entering an uptrend pullback= this is a money management consideration to reduce the Risk of a more speculative trade.View attachment 146760
BY looking at a Daily chart of Cure following it's downtrend, and applying my typical entry approach, I have losing trade after losing trade and would have sustained very large losses, as well as damaged my resolve to apply that approach going forward.
Why does this approach fail so consistently in this particular chart?
PREDOMINANT TREND- I was going long based on a reversal of the predominant trend- the 1st reversal
attempt following a sharp decline often tests the resolve of new buyers-with pullbacks- or the reversal could simply fail and the downtrend lower resume. The ensuing trades caught a period of choppiness where buyers and sellers simply battled for the low volume # of shares- also - leveraged ETFs are dangerous- in the way they are rebalanced daily- they may not accurately reflect- over time the actual moves of the underlying- index- as well as exaggerating those moves-
My 'preferred' method sees a pullback (normally in a predominant uptrend). This chart example is on a Downtrend- and illustrates one reason to trade With the Trend- at least for myself.
Additionally, following a reversal bar or two, my confirmation bar closes above the upturning ema- and the entry is on the following bar- Then I get nailed by the wide volatility of a gap down stop executing well below my entry on many of the trades- (assume I would raise the initial stop up to the low of my entry bar after the trade starts in my direction) , eventually up to B.E. Break Even.
Since the trades are taken within what is a sideways chop zone- I get chopped. There was no way to Know that it would be a chop zone until after the fact- but one would get suspicious after a losing trade or two.
Also- MHO- if one takes a counter trend trade- the Risk is higher- of the trade failing- Money management might consider using a lower entry amount initially.
Note that my "safer" entry signals were anything but safe in this condition- They got me into the trade
somewhat late, and just prior to the topping of the momentum .
I repeat something I saw on a video with Alan Farley- (hard Right Edge) - The best Entry is one that is closest to the point of Failure- It reduces the amount one has to Risk before being proved wrong and out of the trade. I like the concept- something I'm moving towards -slowly.
Going forward, I'll look at using a faster chart -2 hour- and see if it improves the results compared to the daily chart- making for more responsive tactical trading- (my belief) .
CURE   D2  DAILY LOSING TRADES.png
 
Usually an EOD trader-
caught this drop intraday weakness - raising the stop here on 1/2 the position- with a limit to repurchase same at $117.
CURE  11.20.14   STOP RAISED ON WEAKNESS.png
 
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