Liberals Now Calling For Obama Birth Cert

Quote from jem:

just in case you missed it.. an excellent example you brought up.

from wikipedia...

Chester A. Arthur (1829–1886), 21st president of the United States, was rumored to have been born in Canada.[35][36] This was never demonstrated by his Democratic opponents, although Arthur Hinman, an attorney who had investigated Arthur's family history, raised the objection during his vice-presidential campaign and after the end of his Presidency. Arthur was born in Vermont to a U.S. citizen mother and a father from Ireland, who was eventually naturalized as a U.S. citizen. Despite the fact that his parents took up residence in the United States somewhere between 1822 or 1824,[37] Chester Arthur additionally began to claim between 1870 and 1880[38] that he had been born in 1830, rather than in 1829, which only caused minor confusion and was even used in several publications.[39] Arthur was sworn in as president when President Garfield died after being shot. Since his Irish father William was naturalized 14 years after Chester Arthur's birth,[40] his citizenship status at birth is unclear, because he was born before the 1868 ratification of the 14th Amendment, which provided that any person born on United States territory and being subject to the jurisdiction thereof was considered a born U.S. citizen, and because he was a British subject at birth by patrilineal jus sanguinis.[41] Arthur's natural born citizenship status is therefore equally unclear.
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Because it was never clearly defined in the Constitution what natural born is there will never be a definitive answer to that question,thats not what I'm arguing.I am arguing precedent and the majority recognized definition of natural born.

IMO there is more questions about Authors citizenship then Obama because he might have been born in Canada and unlike Obama he does not have a state verifying by paper, governor and health department that he was born in The US.Authur himself changed his story as to when he was born.He was also born before the 14th amendment.

My point is precedent, Aurthur was not ruled ineligible neither will Obama or any future President who was born on US soil even if their dads were not American

I also find McCains eligibility to be more in question then Obamas
 
there is no majority recognized Supreme Court opinion in a case which defines natural born citizen being eligible for the Presidency.

you may be confusing a case in which a person was found a citizen by virtue of the majority of the court citing the English Common law.

And again, you may be right, arthur was less likely a nbc and so was McCain, but to me none of that matters..... all that matters is..

the originals as to proof of citizenship ....
and the definition our Supreme Court gives if asked.

If i were handicapping...

I would say there is a high likelyhood on the originals being sought for the issue of birthplace .... if Obama has proof he was born in HI... he has little to worry about.

low likelyhood that the issue of NBC gets decided by the U.S. supreme court on a sitting president.
 
"by the way wikipedia does a good job explaining that we do not know what a natural born citizen is..."

The Framers left it up the us to decide, and going by reasonable accounts, Obama is a natural born citizen...

The stupidity and illogical position of the birthers is that they begin by self righteously defining what a natural born citizen is...then citing what they think is a lack of evidence of what they already demanded.

It is a fully circular argument, because they are arguing from conclusion.

There is a lack of fact, so they make a declarative conclusion what fact is and what it should be?

Laughable...that's why these loons are getting pummeled in the court system, why that cow mail order lawyer Oily Tartz is a laughing stock, etc.

These birthers are not sane, logical, or rational. They argue from conclusion, not to conclusion.

"Amwetmypants" is a good example. When someone questions his conspiracy theory, he responds with another conspiracy theory as the answer...

Just small minded loons...so if you want to be classified in the same group...oh well.
Quote from jem:

right and when obama sues to get on the ballot, both sides will issue a subpoena and both sides will get access to the originals for the court to review.

hopefully we will get to see it too.

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by the way wikipedia does a good job explaining that we do not know what a natural born citizen is... and that the 14th amendment does not address the issue.

here is a sample of people with problems.... including arthur and you know who...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:

"by the way wikipedia does a good job explaining that we do not know what a natural born citizen is..."

The Framers left it up the us to decide, and going by reasonable accounts, Obama is a natural born citizen...

The stupidity and illogical position of the birthers is that they begin by self righteously defining what a natural born citizen is...then citing what they think is a lack of evidence of what they already demanded.

It is a fully circular argument, because they are arguing from conclusion.

There is a lack of fact, so they make a declarative conclusion what fact is and what it should be?

Laughable...that's why these loons are getting pummeled in the court system, why that cow mail order lawyer Oily Tartz is a laughing stock, etc.

These birthers are not sane, logical, or rational. They argue from conclusion, not to conclusion.

"Amwetmypants" is a good example. When someone questions his conspiracy theory, he responds with another conspiracy theory as the answer...

Just small minded loons...so if you want to be classified in the same group...oh well.
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talk about insane... nothing your wrote is accurate.
Nothing circular about it.

1. We know that to be a natural born citizen - when your father is a kenyan, you would at least first have to prove you were born here and not given up your citizenship.

2. If born here some argue NBC means child of 2 americans.
 
Ranger Rover... in light of the fact the governor has not found a birth certificate in the state archives... so far.. would you like to revisit this issue....
 
The birther thing never really seemed all that interesting to me.

What I find more engaging is the question why Obama won't release his undergraduate college records. He released his law school records, why not undergrad? What's the big deal?

John McCain released his Naval Academy records and we learned that he graduated near the bottom of his class. Do you think that affected anybody's vote in the election? Bush and Kerry released their academic records and we learned they were both mediocre students. So what? Did it affect anybody's vote? I doubt it.

Why won't Obama release his undergraduate college records?
 
Difference of opinion on what a natural born citizen means, an attorney should know that.

Part of the problem is the ambiguity of the Constitution.

"Since the Constitution does not specify what the requirements are to be a "citizen" or a "natural born citizen"*

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

Nothing in the Constitution demands a long form anything to establish birth.

By the way, if the birther had any real investigative intelligence, they could simply do the necessary work to determine the location of Obama's mother at the time of birth...

...but that would require some serious investigation. Rather than look deeply into this, they just spin off like lunatics on tangents, speculation, and anything else that increases their argument from ignorance.

What I wrote was in fact accurate, you have no proof that Obama was not born here, and we do have pieces of evidence that demonstrate he was in fact born here.

Please continue with your fish hunting argument from ignorance though, it puts you in the appropriate company of the other lunatic fringe whacked out birthers...

Quote from jem:

talk about insane... nothing your wrote is accurate.
Nothing circular about it.

1. We know that to be a natural born citizen - when your father is a kenyan, you would at least first have to prove you were born here and not given up your citizenship.

2. If born here some argue NBC means child of 2 americans.
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Quote from tomdavis:

".. Why won't Obama release his undergraduate college records?
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More importantly... why doesn't the citizenry DEMAND to see ALL of his records?
 
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