Well, I think this thread and the related one that Hello links to are ample additional reason to act on my previous comment. Adios Optional777.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=213962
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Liberals Now Calling For Obama Birth Cert
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Well, I think this thread and the related one that Hello links to are ample additional reason to act on my previous comment. Adios Optional777.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=213962
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
Correct, I don't know.
Do the facts at hand indicate he was born in the USA?
Yes, the facts do indicate that.
Who knows?
The doctor, the mother, the attending nurses know someone was born.
Could Obama be a brother from another planet?
I don't know, possible.
Could Obama be an impostor?
I don't know, possible.
If someone presents a birth certificate is that absolute proof and knowledge that they were born somewhere specific place and time?
Nope, the document could be forged.
Actually knowing something is terribly limited to senses and logic.
Most of what people claim to know is second hand information, and simply a strong belief or trust in the person or institution professing knowledge.
Of the facts available, I see no evidence that leads me to doubt Obama is not a US citizen.
Of course, I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, because statistically, they are so often wrong....and examination of the screwballs who do believe them lends greater support to the conspiracy theory being absurd.
Try to answer one question:
If an appropriate (in your opinion) birth certificate surfaces, how will you know that it is not a fake?
If HI has no original birth certificate on file.... your question is the problem. How the hell will anyone know where Obama was born?
It seems to me jerkoff politicians should have been checking on this problem before he became president.
Unfortunately lefties like you kept vilifying anyone who asked the question and assholes at MSNBC CNN and the new york times refused to execute their job of the 4th estate. Instead of question the process they got in bed with the left.
Any thinking American would have to say wtf is wrong with the press and the media?
Now there is just about no way the U.S. Supreme is going to hear this case.
So Obama may not end up on the ballot in more than a few states.
Sarah Palin may be out a weak slate of Republicans and become President of the U.S.
Which would have never happened if Obama had been checked... because if he could not have proved himself eligible Hillary Clinton would be a first and second term President.
I don't know if they have the certificate or not. There is no fact that they don't have it.
There is a fact perhaps that they have not convinced you they have it.
I repeat:
If they did produce what you claim is necessary, how would you know that is not fake?
There is a fact perhaps that they have not convinced you they have it.
I repeat:
If they did produce what you claim is necessary, how would you know that is not fake?
Quote from jem:
If HI has no original birth certificate on file.... you question is the problem. How the hell will anyone know where Obama was born?
It seems to me jerkoff politicians should have been checking on this problem before he became president.
Unfortunately lefties like you kept vilifying anyone who asked the question and assholes at MSNBC CNN the new york times refused to the the job of the 4th estate.
Any thinking American would have to say wtf is wrong with the press and the media?
Now there is just about no way the U.S. Supreme is going to here this case.
So Obama may not end up on the ballot in more than a few states.
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
I don't know if they have the certificate or not. There is no fact that they don't have it.
There is a fact perhaps that they have not convinced you they have it.
I repeat:
If they did produce what you claim is necessary, how would you know that is not fake?
at some point a court has to decide according to the rules of evidence.
That is why we have a judicial system.
Quote from pspr:
The courts won't touch this. They don't want to be seen as another branch of government nullifying a sitting President.
What happens when Obama can't get on the ballot in a few states?
Texas and others are making a candidate prove their eligibility.
Obama will be the one bringing the suit and at least one court will have to take jurisdiction.
Assuming facts not in evidence.
You could reasonably ask what happens if some states try and deny Obama to be on the ballot.
It hasn't happened yet, so asking "when" that happens is illogical.
You could reasonably ask what happens if some states try and deny Obama to be on the ballot.
It hasn't happened yet, so asking "when" that happens is illogical.
Quote from jem:
What happens when Obama can't get on the ballot in a few states?
Texas and others are making a candidate prove their eligibility.
Obama will be the one bringing the suit and at least one court will have to take jurisdiction.