LGBT - Terror

perfect example you gave. The right to operate a car is only bestowed on those who pass a driving test, verbal and practical. And if they are caught driving illegally, drunk, texting, speeding, then steep fines are imposed. Can all accidents that may lead up to deaths be avoided? Certainly not, but still everyone gets to drive around relatively freely. Now, if the same screening and examination could be applied to anyone wanting to purchase a new firearm then we would already have made tremendous progress.

P.S.: Nobody asked you nor should have the right to ask you to surrender your regular firearms by the way.

I think we might be on the same page. I'm all for rigorous screening and examination. I've always been. I've known enough people personally that shouldn't own any guns to be against such prudence. I think we need it more now than ever.
 
Ok, here a perfect suggestion that appeases both sides:

* Muslim extremism will be more closely monitored, prevented, and screened. Government will infiltrate Muslim organizations in order to keep a tab on what is going on there. Immigration by Muslims will be limited or at the very least extremely well background checked.

at the same time

* We start an honest discussion about an unrelated but actually much more important issue, which is gun violence. We will honestly talk about the need of assault weapons and we get on with an honest debate about better screening and possibly a license that involves training for all gun owners and new gun purchasers.

Sound fair?

Apparently the left is in agreement that a person cannot yell fire in a theater, but if a Muslim stands up and screams Allah Akbar, kill all the infidels, that's protected by the 1st amendment and nothing can be done until he actually starts shooting people. You fucking people are nuts.
 
The killer was profiled. But he was still allowed to purchase the weaponry regardless. Because that's how the Second Amendment presently works.

It's troubling that somewhat who was an obvious problem couldn't be dealt with. But he was a citizen. His parents should be deported immediately but of course that won't happen either.

Just as you can't toss someone in jail on suspicion you can't deny them other constitutional rights. This guy apparently worked for a DHS contractor. How is that possible?

The lesson here is we can't deal with vast numbers of potential threats, so it is imperative that we limit the numbers. The way to do that is keep muslims out.
 
Ok, here a perfect suggestion that appeases both sides:

* Muslim extremism will be more closely monitored, prevented, and screened. Government will infiltrate Muslim organizations in order to keep a tab on what is going on there. Immigration by Muslims will be limited or at the very least extremely well background checked.

at the same time

* We start an honest discussion about an unrelated but actually much more important issue, which is gun violence. We will honestly talk about the need of assault weapons and we get on with an honest debate about better screening and possibly a license that involves training for all gun owners and new gun purchasers.

Sound fair?

No. The former will not happen and the latter is another step down the slippery slope.
 
Do you honestly question the proportion of killings by gun violence where assault weapons were involved but no Muslims involved vs the number of deaths where the perpetrator was a Muslim? Can't be serious.

Prohibiting an AR15 in no way undermines the Second Amendment, as the 2nd A never specified specific weapons. That one can therefore argue that all weapons should be protected makes very little sense given that many assault weapons and several manufacturers of AR15 are already banned in many states. If such ban undermined the 2nd A then it would have already been successfully challenged all the way up to and beyond the Supreme court.

Do you have such data because I'd like to see it? Anyway, we are addressing one specific issue, terrorism, more accurately islamic terrorism which, unlike demented individual cases like the Charleston shooter, is a worldwide phenomenon that is supported by large scale terror groups and widely approved of by muslims in general.

The AR15 style rifle is the single most popular weapon sold in the Untied States. It is hard to argue that it is not considered the mainstream home defense weapon. Functionally it is identical to a semi auto hunting rifle. Banning them would be denying law-abiding citizens the most effective defense weapon available to them. Rather than undermine the Second Amendment, there are less restrictive methods of limiting terrorism. Severely curtailing muslim immigration is the most obvious.
 
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