Since some here feel a inheritance provides an unfair advantage. Pure envy of course. What about other gifts handed down by family. It is a fact that good looking people earn more then ugly people. Good looking people did very little to earn their looks. Should we have ugly people stand in line to punch good looking people in the face, to take away the looks, just to make things fair.
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Legacy for One Billionaire: Death, but No Taxes
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But the fact is that the children of MOST wealthy people do work, while it's much more common for the children of poor people not to work...
It's not your place to impose what you think is virtuous on the rest of society... Each individual gets to decide what virtue means to them. There isn't one single "ministry of virtue" which gets to impose it's ideas upon others. Hence a free, liberal society.
Your ideas are the basis of a very authoritarian, autocratic society.
It's not your place to impose what you think is virtuous on the rest of society... Each individual gets to decide what virtue means to them. There isn't one single "ministry of virtue" which gets to impose it's ideas upon others. Hence a free, liberal society.
Your ideas are the basis of a very authoritarian, autocratic society.
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
" You're comparing a country that practices monarchy to people leaving the wealth they've managed to accumulate in life to their children?"
The essential principle is the same.
If there is virtue in making it on one's own, then there is no virtue in spoiling children by giving them wealth so that they don't have to make it on their own...
If you are comparing helping out the poor to survive, to a billionaire bequeathing their money to their offspring so their children can live a lavish lifestyle without every having to work...you would be a fool.
Not only that, we should force good looking people to be involved with and have sex with ugly people!!! They should have an ugly people fucking quota that they have to meet. Of course we'll need a department to decide who is ugly and who is good looking, and to facilitate and verify all of it. Those good looking people didn't do anything to earn those advantages!!! It's not virtuous!!!
Quote from Mercor:
Since some here feel a inheritance provides an unfair advantage. Pure envy of course. What about other gifts handed down by family. It is a fact that good looking people earn more then ugly people. Good looking people did very little to earn their looks. Should we have ugly people stand in line to punch good looking people in the face, to take away the looks, just to make things fair.
If the children work, they can earn their own keep...
They don't need dead daddy's money to support them...
It is not my place to determine what is virtuous...but the right wingers preach the value of work, that work and self sufficiency is a virtue, that pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and achieving the American dream on your own is the highest virtue...so why not hold the children of rich kids to the same values as the right wingers preach, eh right winger?
They don't need dead daddy's money to support them...
It is not my place to determine what is virtuous...but the right wingers preach the value of work, that work and self sufficiency is a virtue, that pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and achieving the American dream on your own is the highest virtue...so why not hold the children of rich kids to the same values as the right wingers preach, eh right winger?
Quote from phenomena:
But the fact is that the children of MOST wealthy people do work, while it's much more common for the children of poor people not to work...
It's not your place to impose what you think is virtuous on the rest of society... Each individual gets to decide what virtue means to them. There isn't one single "ministry of virtue" which gets to impose it's ideas upon others. Hence a free, liberal society.
Your ideas are the basis of a very authoritarian, autocratic society.
Well, I certainly wouldn't describe myself as a right winger, since I'm far out of synch with the right on many key issues. I don't really feel qualified to speak on behalf of the "right wing". However regardless of what you preach or what right wingers preach, it's not your place or right wingers place to tell anyone else what is or is not virtuous or which ideals of virtue they should aspire to. It's not our place to hold anyone's childrens to anyone's values- even "right winger" values... We all deserve the freedom to choose which virtues to aspire to, and to define life on our own terms.
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
If the children work, they can earn their own keep...
They don't need dead daddy's money to support them...
It is not my place to determine what is virtuous...but the right wingers preach the value of work, that work and self sufficiency is a virtue, that pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and achieving the American dream on your own is the highest virtue...so why not hold the children of rich kids to the same values as the right wingers preach, eh right winger?
You can deny you are a right winger all you like, you can make this about you, mox nix.
The fact is the right wingers preach self reliance, making it on your own, yada, yada, yada as virtuous.
Then they cry at the thought they can't spoil their own children...
Makes no sense to hold up something as virtuous, then deny your own children the opportunity to achieve the goal that a person preaches...typical hypocritical right wing mentally defective thinking...
The fact is the right wingers preach self reliance, making it on your own, yada, yada, yada as virtuous.
Then they cry at the thought they can't spoil their own children...
Makes no sense to hold up something as virtuous, then deny your own children the opportunity to achieve the goal that a person preaches...typical hypocritical right wing mentally defective thinking...
Quote from phenomena:
Well, I certainly wouldn't describe myself as a right winger, since I'm far out of synch with the right on many key issues. I don't really feel qualified to speak on behalf of the "right wing". However regardless of what you preach or what right wingers preach, it's not your place or right wingers place to tell anyone else what is or is not virtuous or which ideals of virtue they should aspire to. It's not our place to hold anyone's childrens to anyone's values- even "right winger" values... We all deserve the freedom to choose which virtues to aspire to, and to define life on our own terms.
Well, it's not just me that denies that I'm a "right winger", it's them. Indeed most "left wingers" also find that I'm not a right winger. You are somewhat unique in that anyone who's not left wing "progressive"/socialist, you categorically label as being a "right winger". The fact is that I don't have an ideological home with the "right wing", as it is commonly defined. Maybe according to your unique definition of right wing, I am... I don't see this as being about me, rather about what I see as your skewed deffinition of "right wing".
I also have not seen any "right wingers" cry at the thought that they can not spoil their own children. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I'm just saying that I don't it as a common and "stereotypable" feature of right wingers. In fact, in most right wing areas I have lived, I've seen more demanding parents- made to have a summer job, no car without good grades, freedoms and curfew based on academics, etc...
In the more left wing areas that I've lived- So cal, Chicago, NYC is where I've seen more gratuitously spoiled children. Just my observation.
This is all irrelevant of course. You are making sweeping generalizations and imputing your stereotypes on large groups of people. It's not much different from saying that something like "mexicans all do this" or "black people all act like that"... Same kind of thinking...
The fact is that we all have a god given right to have our own beliefs and ideals, and to aspire to the virtues which we individually define as worthy.
I also have not seen any "right wingers" cry at the thought that they can not spoil their own children. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I'm just saying that I don't it as a common and "stereotypable" feature of right wingers. In fact, in most right wing areas I have lived, I've seen more demanding parents- made to have a summer job, no car without good grades, freedoms and curfew based on academics, etc...
In the more left wing areas that I've lived- So cal, Chicago, NYC is where I've seen more gratuitously spoiled children. Just my observation.
This is all irrelevant of course. You are making sweeping generalizations and imputing your stereotypes on large groups of people. It's not much different from saying that something like "mexicans all do this" or "black people all act like that"... Same kind of thinking...
The fact is that we all have a god given right to have our own beliefs and ideals, and to aspire to the virtues which we individually define as worthy.
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
You can deny you are a right winger all you like, you can make this about you, mox nix.
The fact is the right wingers preach self reliance, making it on your own, yada, yada, yada as virtuous.
Then they cry at the thought they can't spoil their own children...
Makes no sense to hold up something as virtuous, then deny your own children the opportunity to achieve the goal that a person preaches...typical hypocritical right wing mentally defective thinking...
Whatever...I don't care about how you define yourself.
The fact remains that the right wing extols the virtue of self reliance, self determination, hard work, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, making your own way in life...then spoils their kids by bequeathing them a pile of money.
The inheritance tax exists for a very good reason, to prevent the aristocracy that comes from spoiled brat children who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth...
When these spoiled brats get their gift of inheritance, it is income, and they rightfully are taxed on the money as income, not the dead fool who left them the money.
The dead are not taxed twice, they are taxed on income while alive, then the spoil brats are taxed on the income from the dead fool.
The fact remains that the right wing extols the virtue of self reliance, self determination, hard work, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, making your own way in life...then spoils their kids by bequeathing them a pile of money.
The inheritance tax exists for a very good reason, to prevent the aristocracy that comes from spoiled brat children who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth...
When these spoiled brats get their gift of inheritance, it is income, and they rightfully are taxed on the money as income, not the dead fool who left them the money.
The dead are not taxed twice, they are taxed on income while alive, then the spoil brats are taxed on the income from the dead fool.
Quote from phenomena:
Well, it's not just me that denies that I'm a "right winger", it's them. Indeed most "left wingers" also find that I'm not a right winger. You are somewhat unique in that anyone who's not left wing "progressive"/socialist, you categorically label as being a "right winger". The fact is that I don't have an ideological home with the "right wing", as it is commonly defined. Maybe according to your unique definition of right wing, I am... I don't see this as being about me, rather about what I see as your skewed deffinition of "right wing".
I also have not seen any "right wingers" cry at the thought that they can not spoil their own children. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, I'm just saying that I don't it as a common and "stereotypable" feature of right wingers. In fact, in most right wing areas I have lived, I've seen more demanding parents- made to have a summer job, no car without good grades, freedoms and curfew based on academics, etc...
In the more left wing areas that I've lived- So cal, Chicago, NYC is where I've seen more gratuitously spoiled children. Just my observation.
This is all irrelevant of course. You are making sweeping generalizations and imputing your stereotypes on large groups of people. It's not much different from saying that something like "mexicans all do this" or "black people all act like that"... Same kind of thinking...
The fact is that we all have a god given right to have our own beliefs and ideals, and to aspire to the virtues which we individually define as worthy.
Hey Bitterboy,
You want goons? These are your kind of goons.
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You want goons? These are your kind of goons.
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Quote from OPTIONAL777:
A dead man paying taxes?
Nonsense.
The living pay taxes. The living pay an income tax, a tax on income from a gift...money they never actually earned.
So his beneficiaries get a few less million...surely something to cry over.
Once again, this situation illustrates the lunacy of the right.
The beneficiaries didn't earn the money, so the money is not taxed twice for them.
The beneficiaries didn't earn the money...so why do they deserve it in the first place?
The right wing goons always talk about the value of hard work, making your own way in life, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, that builds the proper character...
What happens is that beneficiaries who never had to earn money...get it handed to them. That doesn't build character. That is not earning the money.
If there was moral consistency in the goonish right wingers...they would be in favor of forcing spoiled rich kids to earn a living, to make their way on their own...not just sponge off their parents death.
Such irreverence and disrespect for the dead.
Oh well, not like you ever pretended to have any class...
Because someone leaves their estate to their children they are a fool? Guess they should bequeath it to the glorious state?? LOL!!!
Yes inheritance is income. It should be taxed at the same rate as any other income.... It's not the goverment's place to determine which kind of income is more taxable etc. Income is income... Inheritance tax doesn't exist for the marxist purposes you imagine it to in your deranged fantasy world. It exists because income is taxed. Inheritance is income, so it is taxable.
I'd say the left wing is much more notorioius for spoiling their children than the right wing. Like I said, the trust fund baby havens overwhelmingly lean left... No getting around that. However, this overgeneralized thinking is the same logic as racism and other forms of biggotry. Your biggotry towards and generlization of large groups is no differnt than discrimination on racial grounds...
I'm sorry that you are so full of envy that you feel the need to vent about it on message boards. But at least you are coming to terms with your hatred of successful people. Oh well, I guess for you that's progress...
Oh well, not like you ever pretended to have any class...
Because someone leaves their estate to their children they are a fool? Guess they should bequeath it to the glorious state?? LOL!!!
Yes inheritance is income. It should be taxed at the same rate as any other income.... It's not the goverment's place to determine which kind of income is more taxable etc. Income is income... Inheritance tax doesn't exist for the marxist purposes you imagine it to in your deranged fantasy world. It exists because income is taxed. Inheritance is income, so it is taxable.
I'd say the left wing is much more notorioius for spoiling their children than the right wing. Like I said, the trust fund baby havens overwhelmingly lean left... No getting around that. However, this overgeneralized thinking is the same logic as racism and other forms of biggotry. Your biggotry towards and generlization of large groups is no differnt than discrimination on racial grounds...
I'm sorry that you are so full of envy that you feel the need to vent about it on message boards. But at least you are coming to terms with your hatred of successful people. Oh well, I guess for you that's progress...
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
Whatever...I don't care about how you define yourself.
The fact remains that the right wing extols the virtue of self reliance, self determination, hard work, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, making your own way in life...then spoils their kids by bequeathing them a pile of money.
The inheritance tax exists for a very good reason, to prevent the aristocracy that comes from spoiled brat children who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth...
When these spoiled brats get their gift of inheritance, it is income, and they rightfully are taxed on the money as income, not the dead fool who left them the money.
The dead are not taxed twice, they are taxed on income while alive, then the spoil brats are taxed on the income from the dead fool.