Is it possible that ICU beds could be occupied by other than Covid patients?
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Most hospitals separate Covid-19 patients versus Other Patients. In fact, they put them in different wings or floors...some even creating new locations for Covid-19 patients such as outdoor treatment centers as they get ready to exceed the hospital itself.
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I think Astrazeneca's vaccine is an mrna vaccine. The one coming right up.
However, they seem to be doing trials and collaborating with the ruskies to get the ruskies deactivated virus vaccine approved. It is complicated. They want to do a two shot vaccination routine where the first shot is Astra's mrna vaccine and the second is a shot of the ruskie inert virus vaccine- if trials work out okay.
The sinopharm vaccine- or one the chinese vaccines- is deactivated virus and that is out there in the market bigtime in malaysia, brazil etc. but not planned to be available here I don't think. Unless they test here.
The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is actually a single dose vaccine - so far anyway. It is sort of a complicated animal. They have taken the dna that creates the spike protein on the covid virus and implanted it into the common cold corona virus.
Not sure who has a flat-out deactivated virus in the works for this country. If anyone knows. put that info here please. As I said, the russians and chinese have them but they are not approved here nor are they in the works to do that. Many of the American pharm companies have said that they are not interested because the production requirements require a long cycle time to culture all of the virus needed for the vaccines.
Most hospitals separate Covid-19 patients versus Other Patients. In fact, they put them in different wings or floors...some even creating new locations for Covid-19 patients such as outdoor treatment centers as they get ready to exceed the hospital itself.
Vanderbilt Medical Center Parking Garage
wrbtrader
So I have to ask, are areas like S.Cal where we are hearing news that they are at 0% in their ICU’s, 100% full.....is that in the regular ICU wings or these expanded ICU/Covid areas?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/24/health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine.html
Researchers at the University of Oxford built the vaccine using a kind of virus, called an adenovirus, that typically causes colds in chimpanzees. They genetically altered the virus so that it carried a gene for a coronavirus protein, which would theoretically train a person’s immune system to recognize the real coronavirus.
Adenovirus-based vaccines are also being tested by Johnson & Johnson, as well as by labs in China, Italy and elsewhere. An adenovirus-based vaccine called Sputnik V is already being distributed in Russia on an emergency basis, although researchers have yet to release detailed results from their late-stage trial.
Scientists have been testing adenovirus-based vaccines for decades, but it wasn’t until July of this year that the first one was licensed, when Johnson & Johnson got approval from European regulators for an Ebola vaccine.
Yes. Indeed.
It is a genetically altered adenovirus (the common cold corona virus) rather than just a complete covid virus that has been deactivated.- which has been the old classic approach. One of the chinese vaccines does that and one of the russian ones does as well, but you have look carefully because they each have more than one vaccine in progress. I believe the sinopharm one that has already been distributed bigtime to several third world countries is one of the basic dead virus vaccines.
In a related point, but one that is of interest to me, because I have raised it many times, there are many in the research communities that believe that the common cold coronavirus imparts some level of immunity against covid.
As usual, the binary thinkers refute this or rise to allege that I am saying that the common cold provides immunity against getting covid. When in fact I have not said that at all. I am saying that the common cold seems to also generate some- but not all- of the same antibodies that covid does. Too nuanced for the binary thinkers. Some researches theorize that this may be one of the reasons why some people get very light symptoms from covid. ie. they have had the common cold of late or been exposed to that adenovirus. Ditto for the reasons why kids are able to resist it. Not only do they have strong immune systems but they have almost continuous exposure to others who have the common cold so their antibodies are updated rather regularly- some of which are helpful even if not covid specific. Similarly, covid creates a lot of Immunoglobulin G as one of the many antibodies. But, so does Influenza Type B. So you get a little protection there.
Sorry...can't help you about any info about California.
Yet, you can educate me via posting a link to the news you're hearing about S. California.
You can read the article @ https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201218/covid-has-southern-california-icu-capacity-at-zero
wrbtrader
The dems and paid posters of course got two narratives in their scripts from the DNC this week.
1) Scenario one. Leaders not taking the vaccine. Shame them for the double standard of telling others to take it themselves.
2) Scenario two. Leaders getting vaccine. Shame them for getting the vaccine before others.
We saw some application of Narrative 1 last week, but then when the leaders started getting the vaccine they pivoted to Narrative 2.
Yup. They do as they are told and surely will get an extra potato in their rations this month.
Idiots all of them.
It was the lead story a couple of days ago on the NBC nighty news with Lester Holt.