L.A. Times editorial eviscerates Trump

My opinion was that an obsolescent Constitution was a contributing factor, but that the main factor, i never said it was the only factor, was the consequences of prior mistakes having become embedded.

The structure of our government allows a few recalcitrant, unscrupulous individuals to prevail in these cases of dysfunction. If these folks happen to be in a position where they alone can determine if anything gets done, they can, by themselves, stop government from working. Let's agree, given a chance, to vote these fellows out of office.
 
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java said:
Well I guess if others who came before me reached a conclusion I should just go along with it.
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I think that's a very bad idea unless you have given a lot of thought to whether their conclusion makes sense.
 
java said:
Others who came before me elected Donald Trump for President, and they ought to know because those others who came before me were pretty darn smart back when America was great.
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My recommendation is not to throw in with that lot. But sometimes experience is the best teacher. I expect you'll have to discover things for yourself.
 
piezoe said:
My recommendation is not to throw in with that lot. But sometimes experience is the best teacher. I expect you'll have to discover things for yourself.
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I'm a quick learner. I already figured out socialism is a lost cause, learned it from those who went before me. But some people never learn.
 
java said:
I'm a quick learner. I already figured out socialism is a lost cause, learned it from those who went before me. But some people never learn.
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The problem here is that you're ignoring the reality that is right in front of you. There are no purely socialist countries, nor any pure capitalist countries, among the 16 modern, industrialized nations that we are a part of. Your remark leaves one wondering if you recognize nuance in political systems. For example, all modern economies in the industrialized countries are mixed economies. None are pure socialist; none are pure capitalist. So your remark that you already figured out "socialism is a lost cause" suggests a certain naivety on your part that you might prefer not to reveal. Any informed person is going to ask, exactly what do you mean by socialism? I hope you have a reasonable answer. Our present reality is that neither what you would call laissez faire capitalism, nor pure socialism, works well, if history is any guide. So if you say to any informed person, "capitalism is a lost cause," or "socialism is a lost cause," don't be surprised if they look at you with raised eyebrows.
 
piezoe said:
The problem here is that you're ignoring the reality that is right in front of you. There are no purely socialist countries, nor any pure capitalist countries, among the 16 modern, industrialized nations that we are a part of. Your remark leaves one wondering if you recognize nuance in political systems. For example, all modern economies in the industrialized countries are mixed economies. None are pure socialist; none are pure capitalist. So your remark that you already figured out "socialism is a lost cause" suggests a certain naivety on your part that you might prefer not to reveal. Any informed person is going to ask, exactly what do you mean by socialism? I hope you have a reasonable answer. Our present reality is that neither what you would call laissez faire capitalism, nor pure socialism, works well, if history is any guide. So if you say to any informed person, "capitalism is a lost cause," or "socialism is a lost cause," don't be surprised if they look at you with raised eyebrows.
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ha,ha,ha, Campuses are filled with lectures and the professing that capitalism is a lost cause. I just post it to make you post that we are a little bit socialist. A sound sustainable economy always has some accumulation balanced with some distribution. Socialism is the belief that the system would be better with more distribution. Capitalists understand there can be no adequate distribution without an adequate accumulation system. Capitalism is the primary function of an economy, socialism is a result of a thriving capitalistic economy. Many societies are completely socialistic, but trying to make a country a society is a lost cause.
 
java said:
Campuses are filled with lectures and the professing that capitalism is a lost cause
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Not really. Care to find any specific example of them being "filled". That viewpoint is very rare on campuses.
 
java said:
Many societies are completely socialistic
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Among modern industrialized nations, there are no examples of completely socialistic societies, let alone "many". The first step in any productive discussion is to get the facts straight.
 
piezoe said:
Among modern industrialized nations, there are no examples of completely socialistic societies, let alone "many". The first step in any productive discussion is to get the facts straight.
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There are many societies in Africa which are totally socialistic. Everything belongs to the village. Everything is shared. I don't know what the ratio of people in industrialized nations is to people in socialist villages is exactly, I think I heard most people in the world don't have running water. Perhaps industrialization hastens the capitalistic urge and suppresses the socialistic tendency. I know my family that has immigrated to USA from Africa were unbelievably relieved on a picnic when they were not expected to share all the food with other families at the park. All my facts are anecdotal, and that's the richest kind.
 
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