L.A. Times editorial eviscerates Trump

Tsing Tao said:
If it's childish to demand to hold our politicians accountable for not being able to fix anything rather than a piece of paper that our nation was founded upon, then call me little Billy.
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I'm in complete agreement. We should hold them accountable.
 
piezoe said:
No. It wouldn't be a good idea to scrap it and start over, but it does need updating via amendment. Because it lets corporations have some rights that should only belong to individuals. Because it is silent on how political campaigns should be funded. Because it is silent on Gerrymandering. Because it permits the Houses of government to ignore their Constitutional duties for purely political reasons. But the constitution is not the main contributor to a dysfunctional government, it is only a contributing factor.
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Couldn't agree more. Corporations should not be taxed because they are not people my friend. Tax the workers, tax the CEO, tax the shareholders. Do that and corporations will have no rights. And the result will be, Who needs an expensive congressman?
 
Tsing Tao said:
Are you becoming senile or schizophrenic? Didn't you just blame the constitution for nothing getting done?
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Not exactly. I allowed that it was a factor. I identified something else as what I thought was the main factor. I personally wouldn't use the word blame in conjunction with the main factor. It is more or less something that is wrapped up in our nature. We all make mistakes, And collectively, as a government body, we also make them. Our Republic form of government does a poor job of correcting these mistakes we have a hand in as government participants.* You chose to dwell on the minor factor. Don't know why. That's your right. I just think it is a minor factor compared to the main one. You're not alone. It is common in these forum for people to go off half cocked after reading someone's post but not really understanding it. I do it myself. It is often because we've done a poor job of explaining ourselves. But there are some habitual poor readers here as well.

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*If I remember correctly, I also suggested a possible reason why it was so difficult for us to correct some of these collective mistakes; why the consequences could be dysfunctional government.
 
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java said:
Couldn't agree more. Corporations should not be taxed because they are not people my friend. Tax the workers, tax the CEO, tax the shareholders. Do that and corporations will have no rights. And the result will be, Who needs an expensive congressman?
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That argument has great appeal. I appeals to me. It seems intuitively sensible!, and I was once a proponent of what you suggest. That was before I thought about it a great deal. I finally realized that I was wrong. There are sound reasons why, in some instances, it makes sense to tax or place some kind of levy against a corporate body. Obviously others who came before me reached the same conclusion. I guess I had to discover it for myself.
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We can' be blind to global reality. We have on our hands a sort of corporate tax war going on. Which country can offer the greatest incentive in the form of very low corporate tax as an inducement to corporations to relocate. This interferes with tax policy in competing nations. There are practical ways to deal with this, at least to some extent. But probably just trying to out compete the other guy with even lower rates is not the best approach. Taxing corporations is no different than taxing individuals in at least one respect. Both are entitled to get something in return.
 
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Yeah, there's a reason alright to tax corporations. So they can tax the same income twice. I'm not surprised at all that many find that to be sound policy. Sound for who?
 
piezoe said:
Not exactly. I allowed that it was a factor. I identified something else as what I thought was the main factor. I personally wouldn't use the word blame in conjunction with the main factor. It is more or less something that is wrapped up in our nature. We all make mistakes, And collectively, as a government body, we also make them. Our Republic form of government does a poor job of correcting these mistakes we have a hand in as government participants.* You chose to dwell on the minor factor. Don't know why. That's your right. I just think it is a minor factor compared to the main one. You're not alone. It is common in these forum for people to go off half cocked after reading someone's post but not really understanding it. I do it myself. It is often because we've done a poor job of explaining ourselves. But there are some habitual poor readers here as well.

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*If I remember correctly, I also suggested a possible reason why it was so difficult for us to correct some of these collective mistakes; why the consequences could be dysfunctional government.
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I choose to dwell on the minor factor that it is the politicians that are the problem, not the constitution. I see.
 
piezoe said:
That argument has great appeal. I appeals to me. It seems intuitively sensible!, and I was once a proponent of what you suggest. That was before I thought about it a great deal. I finally realized that I was wrong. There are sound reasons why, in some instances, it makes sense to tax or place some kind of levy against a corporate body. Obviously others who came before me reached the same conclusion. I guess I had to discover it for myself.
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We can' be blind to global reality. We have on our hands a sort of corporate tax war going on. Which country can offer the greatest incentive in the form of very low corporate tax as an inducement to corporations to relocate. This interferes with tax policy in competing nations. There are practical ways to deal with this, at least to some extent. But probably just trying to out compete the other guy with even lower rates is not the best approach. Taxing corporations is no different than taxing individuals in at least one respect. Both are entitled to get something in return.
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Well I guess if others who came before me reached a conclusion I should just go along with it. They probably know best. Others who came before me elected Donald Trump for President, and they ought to know because those others who came before me were pretty darn smart back when America was great. Otherwise, taxing is a piss poor way of making any entity pay for the damages or costs they cause society.
 
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