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My resolution to retire young by fading these calls is off to a pristine start.

Who else will be joining me ?

Join you? I've already retired off this!!!!
 
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Quote from Nine_Ender:

Posted some time ago :

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Quote from nitro:

I didn't know where to put this, so I decided it was probably best to put it here.

My dad owns two JPM funds, symbols OCGCX OBOCX, allocated 80:20 respectively:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=OCGCX+&=
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=obocx

He just made 2.5% in one month.

I am motivated to tell you about this because in this environment, it is not terribly hard to make ~ 20% a year even in traditionally conservative investments, i.e., corporate bonds, OCGCX.
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So, given that 20% annually is easy, why do you need indicators that seem to be perpetually wrong ? Those guys at JPM must be geniuses if they can return 20% annually on low risk stuff.
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Nine-Ender, nitro post that September (2009). Then poster piezoe is telling you to read what nitro is saying.
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Quote from piezoe:[/i

I was hoping not to have to spell this out for you, thinking you would catch on. Try going back to Nitro's original post and reading it again. Pay attention to the date. Make note of the phrase: "...in this environment." There now, I've spelled it out for you. I hope that helps.
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So I am guessing nitro understand the bull barket is starting in March 2009, and quantitative easing is start too in that time.
nitro: ("in this environment")


Oh my god, when will you people get some common sense and stop posting crap. The original concept was ridiculous, the poster who supported his contention was off base, and now you choose to reiterate their nonesense now.

Here is my point again, and it holds for ANY time period in history.
You can NEVER make 20% EASILY on CONSERVATIVE investments.
What do you not understand about this ? This is Investments 101, the relationship between risk and reward is always there.

If you need more proof simply calculate the actual return from the date of his post to today on those funds. Annualize it and if its well over 20% ( "easy" ) I'll reconsider my position. Otherwise, you can apologize to me for posting unnecessary noise without doing proper research. I like the poster who posted the actual returns on one of the instruments; it is VERY CLEAR from his post that Nitro didn't have a clue what he was talking about.
 
Quote from Pekelo:

Is it still the position? Just so you know, the new year has just gapped 20 points against it.

Since you like worthless inputs to toy with, most analysts are bullish for this year, maybe you could incorporate that into the equation. They did get it right for the first part of the last year though.

Otherwise we are addicted as always to this trainwreck, so happy new year, and keep up the bad work!!!

Nitro seems to have no feel for markets. He's introduced at least three major threads based on concepts that have no basis in reality ( his dad's mutual funds, his indicators, the need for companies to pay dividends to have value ). Obviously, he's fairly inexperienced in financial matters, and kind of an idiot savant trying to apply mathematics incorrectly to markets.

Anyone adding to a losing short position in a upwardly trending market is asking to have their head handed to them. They might get lucky and survive, but its a stupid strategy. Unfortunately, there are far too many on this site encouraging this kind of behaviour.
 
Quote from nitro:

SPX, 1279.44. FV, 1073.91. OFV, 1233.26. POFVF, 1199.91.

Added Short 1 more unit 1279.44 SPX.

Nitro, your indicators are saying that SPX might go to 1320 in short order. Check the RNOFV.
 
Quote nitro: "I am motivated to tell you about this because in this environment, it is not terribly hard to make ~ 20% a year even in traditionally conservative investments, i.e., corporate bonds, OCGCX."
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NineEnder, nitro is saying for the year (2009 the environment) is making easier to have 20% possible for (conservative) investments. So he is not saying is always easy or possible to do this, but he saying this in 2009.
Look,




Risk Overview
Morningstar Risk Rating: 2

Number of Years up: 11

Number of Years Down: 2

Best 1 Yr Total Return(Dec 31, 2009): 17.54%

Worst 1 Yr Total Return(Dec 31, 2008): -12.71



http://finance.yahoo.com/q/rk?s=OCGCX

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So this is very high return for the conservative fund (2009)

{Best 1 Yr Total Return(Dec 31, 2009): 17.54%}
 
Quote from nitro:

SPX, 1271.79. FV, 1066.41. OFV, 1234.60. POFVF, 1172.41.

POFVF has imploded.

When will you wake up from this dream where you think all these random numbers have any meaning ? I can just see you now phoning your dad and saying "Oh my god, Dad, the POFVF is impoding you have to sell all your mutual funds immediately !!!".

Maybe after these indicators fail again you can renew your posts on the importance of dividends to determining equity valuation. That was a comedy classic.
 
SPX, 1270.59. FV, 1061.42. OFV, 1194.89. POFVF, 1157.92.

This market must be hanging on by dear life. If the model is wrong, then I have two theories. One is very simple to test since all it involves is a constant. The other is far far more complicated.
 
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